Again, we hear how fast a nonexistent, nonbenchmarked released chip is. And once again it is compared to current AMD chips. If Intel gets Conroe 20% faster than an AM2 FX62 with DDR2-800 and faster HT, I might actually buy one. I'm not holding my breath though.

If the rumoured 3.33 GHz Conroe EE really happens, yes I guess it should give intel a clear benchmarking champion again. But since the mainstream parts will be clocked 2 or 3 speedgrades lower, I suspect this chip to be not much more than another reviewer only 1.13 GHz P3 (except hopefully, this time at least it will work), unavailable (and unaffordable) for mere mortals like us.

Mainstream conroe's, I expect them to be very competitive with AM2 A64's. Win some, lose some, but I'm not expecting performance supremacy either. If it really where so supreme, there would be no need to produce a boutique part with higher TDP while skipping 3 speed grades.

One thing is clear: intel is dead serious about winning benchmarks again. 16Mb cache Xeons, factory overclocked conroe's..

Why would I give a dell?

Errr... I wouldn't even buy a dell. And its not because they don't have AMD setups, or that they do have Intel products.

AMD can't sell enough CPUs for Dell. Dell may want FX60s, but AMD can't deliver enough for the XPS line anyway. Conroe will be better. So why would want to Dell loose it's sweet deal with Intel?

i didnt vote... because there wasnt an undecided ... i hope amd has the lead, i really like their processors and how this smaller german company is competing with intel who appearently owns all the computer companys (not owns but has the power to cripple them, and would do so based on there flakey marketing techs) i really hope amd becomes more powerful than intel, but if intels conroe is really as fast as they say amd will have a fight on its hands... either way, i cant wait to see

screw dell they can go and f themselves

It's just good sence. Yonah is ~X2. And a faster FSB alone would bring it past X2. Add another issue to the core, all the P4's advanced prediction, SSE4, macro-ops, and many more featurse to improove IPC, you have atleast the said 20% better than AMD.

The title of this thread asks us to speculate.

I beg to differ. I worked for Dell two years and I have very little to complain about them. As messed up as they are, HP, Sony, Viscom (YUCKO!), AlienWare--they all stink. Dell only stinks the least. However this thing where dell sells pcs for less than $900--yep they screwed up big time. The 90 day warrenty is a joke. ONLY get a dell if you get a 3 year warrenty at least. If you pay more than $900 for the dell then you get a great deal. Otherwise get yourself a cheap E-Machine...

School districts, businesses, and governments love Dell. If I, as a K-12 purchaser, could get lower prices on comparable or better Dell's with AMD processors I would buy them. However, because Dell, even with Intel chips, is always my lowest bidder I will continue to purchase Intel.

If AMD inks a deal with Dell it will cause AMD sales to skyrocket and will give the company more resources to make better processors at lower prices.

AMD enthusiasts don't like Dell, but an AMD deal with Dell will benefit everyone except Intel.

not depends, undecided, im not a fan boy, i do like amd more, but i dont camp outside of people who own intel computers and cut there balls off if they dont buy an amd, i actually own 2 dells and they run fine, no problems for over 2 years... i duno where this "i hate dell because they rip u off" came from but i got a 3.0ghz p4 with 512 memory for 300 bux... id say thats not a rip off at all, but sure argue it cause i know u will.. back to my point, im undecided, because while i like amd more, we have seen the new chips and they will be a bit faster than current amd2, conroe is speculated to be 20% faster than the fx62, its pretty much true, i doubt it will be that much faster, this is why im undecided, until i see a conroe chip benchmarked i will remain undecided, not depends, even if the intel chip wins ill still stick by amd because the amd2 chips are still on 90nm and the intels are 65nm, when amd hits 65 next year intel will be crying, until of course 45nm is released. this is why im undecided, until the chips are released there is really no way to decide which will be better because up until release there still beta and will be able to be improved. question tho, corsair has ddr2 1000 (forget the pc number 6000 maybe?) will amd2 be able to run it at the 500mhz its rated at?

But we can't beat thier prices. They must get Windows for nothing, and the chips for free.

thats true but not every single person builds there computers, some people are too afraid, dont have the knowledge, are too lazy, or just dont wanna fuck with it. u cant diss a company that sells cheap and decently reliable computers because u build ur own for 150 bux less, if ur buying a dell thats in the 700 dollar range ur not gonna save much money by building it urself, ull prob end up spending more given the case/psu u choose, dell has incredably low prices for mid/low end computers. so, do u have a reason u hate dell or do u hate it because "they sell only intel"? BTW intel arnt bad chips, ok they run hot, and arnt as fast in gaming, the difference between the chips in gaming for the price range is like 5%, u cant HATE a company because of that. they run hot, but there getting better, they have warnings, shutdown temps, throttle temps. intel has a good handle on the heat problem... now saying u hate intel because of there marketing techniques is a bit different, but many companys have done similar things.... (BTW i like amd more , its just quite annoying when u diss an entire company for no reason other than "there bad, building is better" yes it is if u have the skills to do it and the time. but for most of the people who buy dell, they just want somthing that will run for a few years, and thats what they get, a reliable computer...

well its only logical michael dell is a greedy intel fanboy he just f***ed up his company agian

I know someone that just bought two whole Dell systems for $400 each. I don't see how they can make it that cheap. It's not a rip-off.