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I was doing some war driving a couple of days ago and in my neighborhood I
found a couple of unprotected access points. These were originating from
some local businesses, one of which was a cellular phone store. I took my
notebook into the store and pointed out to the manager that he had a totally
open, accessible and unprotected wireless network just waiting for someone
to use it.

He looked at the screen, I was running NetStumbler and my connection utility
to identify the signals, and started accusing me of hacking his network. I
tried to point out to him that I was not connected, just seeing the network
and was only trying to let him know he had a security problem.

He threatened to have me arrested on the spot. I tried again to show him
that I had no connection, but he wasn't going to listen. I gave him my
phone number and asked him to call me if he wanted to talk about the
situation with the cops. He hasn't called, and no cops have showed up to
haul me off to jail. His network is still wide open as of this morning.

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless (More info?)

Just because a network is totally open, doesn't mean that it's unprotected.

And it may not even have internet connectivity.

Matt Gibson - GSEC

"Kevin" <webman6@hot4mail.com> wrote in message
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>I was doing some war driving a couple of days ago and in my neighborhood I
> found a couple of unprotected access points. These were originating from
> some local businesses, one of which was a cellular phone store. I took my
> notebook into the store and pointed out to the manager that he had a
> totally
> open, accessible and unprotected wireless network just waiting for someone
> to use it.
>
> He looked at the screen, I was running NetStumbler and my connection
> utility
> to identify the signals, and started accusing me of hacking his network.
> I
> tried to point out to him that I was not connected, just seeing the
> network
> and was only trying to let him know he had a security problem.
>
> He threatened to have me arrested on the spot. I tried again to show him
> that I had no connection, but he wasn't going to listen. I gave him my
> phone number and asked him to call me if he wanted to talk about the
> situation with the cops. He hasn't called, and no cops have showed up to
> haul me off to jail. His network is still wide open as of this morning.
>
>
>

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The networks that were detected had no encryption. My notebook's wireless
utility and NetStumbler told me that. That's why I approached the guy in
the cell phone store. His network, with or without internet connectivity,
was wide open. I notice this afternoon that it is now offline.

"Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
news:epK5$XijFHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Just because a network is totally open, doesn't mean that it's
> unprotected.
>
> And it may not even have internet connectivity.
>
> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>
> "Kevin" <webman6@hot4mail.com> wrote in message
> news:uZKTjUijFHA.3300@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>I was doing some war driving a couple of days ago and in my neighborhood I
>> found a couple of unprotected access points. These were originating from
>> some local businesses, one of which was a cellular phone store. I took
>> my
>> notebook into the store and pointed out to the manager that he had a
>> totally
>> open, accessible and unprotected wireless network just waiting for
>> someone
>> to use it.
>>
>> He looked at the screen, I was running NetStumbler and my connection
>> utility
>> to identify the signals, and started accusing me of hacking his network.
>> I
>> tried to point out to him that I was not connected, just seeing the
>> network
>> and was only trying to let him know he had a security problem.
>>
>> He threatened to have me arrested on the spot. I tried again to show him
>> that I had no connection, but he wasn't going to listen. I gave him my
>> phone number and asked him to call me if he wanted to talk about the
>> situation with the cops. He hasn't called, and no cops have showed up to
>> haul me off to jail. His network is still wide open as of this morning.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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If the fool had half a brain, he would have thanked you
for pointing it out to him -- easy to over look something like
that - especially if you had one of the kids working for you
set up the wifi network in the store for you. Just as a
protection (especially since he already has your contact
info), you might want to write your notes and version
of what happened and present it to the local cops. That
way, if later something comes up, you can show you did
discuss it (might even cc the manager). It's amazing how
things get turned around later and without your version on
file, he could be a real problem instead of just an ass.

My wife got involved in a situation at where she works at
a small company where they discovered the lady in shipping
had worked a scam where she had made off with $40,000
in the last 18 months. They terminated her and were going
to let it go at that (the boss was very kind hearted). They
were advised that they MUST file charges against her
because if they didn't, then she could later come back
and sue them for "wrongful discharge" and get damages.
Of course the wonderful legal system we have, found her
guilty, and ordered restitution for the $40,000 .... at the
sum of $25 per month. Anybody know where I can get
a $40,000 "loan" for $25 a month ???

mikey


"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The networks that were detected had no encryption. My notebook's wireless
> utility and NetStumbler told me that. That's why I approached the guy in
> the cell phone store. His network, with or without internet connectivity,
> was wide open. I notice this afternoon that it is now offline.
>
> "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
> news:epK5$XijFHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Just because a network is totally open, doesn't mean that it's
> > unprotected.
> >
> > And it may not even have internet connectivity.
> >
> > Matt Gibson - GSEC
> >
> > "Kevin" <webman6@hot4mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uZKTjUijFHA.3300@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >>I was doing some war driving a couple of days ago and in my neighborhood
I
> >> found a couple of unprotected access points. These were originating
from
> >> some local businesses, one of which was a cellular phone store. I took
> >> my
> >> notebook into the store and pointed out to the manager that he had a
> >> totally
> >> open, accessible and unprotected wireless network just waiting for
> >> someone
> >> to use it.
> >>
> >> He looked at the screen, I was running NetStumbler and my connection
> >> utility
> >> to identify the signals, and started accusing me of hacking his
network.
> >> I
> >> tried to point out to him that I was not connected, just seeing the
> >> network
> >> and was only trying to let him know he had a security problem.
> >>
> >> He threatened to have me arrested on the spot. I tried again to show
him
> >> that I had no connection, but he wasn't going to listen. I gave him my
> >> phone number and asked him to call me if he wanted to talk about the
> >> situation with the cops. He hasn't called, and no cops have showed up
to
> >> haul me off to jail. His network is still wide open as of this
morning.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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I can have a network with no encryption, and you'll never use it for
anything.

Encryption doesn't always have to be at the WAP level. I could have a
firewall behind it that only lets VPN traffic from authorized (through a
certificate) users.

While I may not agree with the guy's reaction, you're assuming a lot.

Matt Gibson - GSEC

"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23zp8SFkjFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> The networks that were detected had no encryption. My notebook's wireless
> utility and NetStumbler told me that. That's why I approached the guy in
> the cell phone store. His network, with or without internet connectivity,
> was wide open. I notice this afternoon that it is now offline.
>
> "Matt Gibson" <mattg@blueedgetech.ca> wrote in message
> news:epK5$XijFHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Just because a network is totally open, doesn't mean that it's
>> unprotected.
>>
>> And it may not even have internet connectivity.
>>
>> Matt Gibson - GSEC
>>
>> "Kevin" <webman6@hot4mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uZKTjUijFHA.3300@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>I was doing some war driving a couple of days ago and in my neighborhood
>>>I
>>> found a couple of unprotected access points. These were originating
>>> from
>>> some local businesses, one of which was a cellular phone store. I took
>>> my
>>> notebook into the store and pointed out to the manager that he had a
>>> totally
>>> open, accessible and unprotected wireless network just waiting for
>>> someone
>>> to use it.
>>>
>>> He looked at the screen, I was running NetStumbler and my connection
>>> utility
>>> to identify the signals, and started accusing me of hacking his network.
>>> I
>>> tried to point out to him that I was not connected, just seeing the
>>> network
>>> and was only trying to let him know he had a security problem.
>>>
>>> He threatened to have me arrested on the spot. I tried again to show
>>> him
>>> that I had no connection, but he wasn't going to listen. I gave him my
>>> phone number and asked him to call me if he wanted to talk about the
>>> situation with the cops. He hasn't called, and no cops have showed up
>>> to
>>> haul me off to jail. His network is still wide open as of this morning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>