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Is Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition available on iPAQ systems already?  
Will HP and Microsoft release update for older models?
 
Is the update of, let's say iPAQ 5550 worthed or brings nothing new to the  
old hardware?
 
As I understand now, the API is left unchanged hence Second Edition in the  
original name, no WM 2004 for example.
 
TIA

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Nope. And Microsoft has already released SE, to the PPC OEM's.
It is up to the OEM of the PPC to roll out the SE upgrades.
 
HP dropped the current line of iPAQ's from production and is now
focusing on an entirely new line of iPAQ's equipped with 2003SE.
they are not providing the SE upgrade for the existing line iPAQ's.
Look here where SS style censors reign:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/ [...] dId=641503
 
 
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
"modeleromy" <modeleromy_at@yaho0_dot.com> wrote in newsRGL0SEhEHA.3320
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
 
> Is Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition available on iPAQ systems already?  
> Will HP and Microsoft release update for older models?
>  
> Is the update of, let's say iPAQ 5550 worthed or brings nothing new to the  
> old hardware?
>  
> As I understand now, the API is left unchanged hence Second Edition in the  
> original name, no WM 2004 for example.
>  
> TIA
>  
>  
 
 
 
 
 
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OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
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======================

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What I forgot to mention was that HP's new line of iPAQ's IS
equipped with 2003SE, namely these models:
 
iPAQ rz1710, iPAQ rx3715, and the iPAQ hx4700 series have SE
factory installed in ROM.
 
You might want to compare these new models' specifications with
the "old" models' specifications.
 
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
 
 
"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns95487FE0771ADFearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16:  
 
> "modeleromy" <modeleromy_at@yaho0_dot.com> wrote in
> newsRGL0SEhEHA.3320 @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>  
> Is Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition available on iPAQ systems
> already?
 
 
 
--  
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================

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> You might want to compare these new models' specifications with
> the "old" models' specifications.
 
I get the impression these are moving more and more towards portable  
mediaplayers (given then name ) I love the 4150 though but would like SE  

 
 
David

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Along with the SE upgrade i'd also like to have full support back
on the current line of iPAQ's.. I feel deserted knowing my very
expensive iPAQ 5550 is only 6 months in my posession and already
considered "old", and the only update we get is WPA support.
WPA support is nice, but it doesn't weigh up to an OS upgrade &
decent product support.
it's ridiculous, HP is cutting into their own fingers and into
their customer's fingers.
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
 
 
"David Cleland" <davidcleland@hotmail.com> wrote in news:uPGLUjEhEHA.3348
@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
 
>  
>> You might want to compare these new models' specifications with
>> the "old" models' specifications.
>  
> I get the impression these are moving more and more towards portable  
> mediaplayers (given then name ) I love the 4150 though but would like SE  
>
>  
>  
> David  
>  
>  
 
 
 
--  
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================

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> Along with the SE upgrade i'd also like to have full support back
> on the current line of iPAQ's.. I feel deserted knowing my very
> expensive iPAQ 5550 is only 6 months in my posession and already
> considered "old", and the only update we get is WPA support.
> WPA support is nice, but it doesn't weigh up to an OS upgrade &
> decent product support.
> it's ridiculous, HP is cutting into their own fingers and into
> their customer's fingers.
 
I totally agree, it is a way of not only forcing us to upgrade but it forces  
the price down and makes me reluctant to buy again.
 
I bought a 4150 in Jan and it cost me £405, you can not pick them up for  
£250 it is completely unreal it makes them valueless really. Unless you  
replace it every sixth months you will always loose money OR be left behind  
on features.
 
David

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> I bought a 4150 in Jan and it cost me £405, you can not pick them up for
> £250 it is completely unreal it makes them valueless really. Unless you  
> replace it every sixth months you will always loose money OR be left  
> behind on features.
 
True. But few questions.
 
1. Is SE bringing new features or just update for new hardware features  
(VGA, landscape, etc)
2. Does HP have a line of new SE based products (I cannot find them) that  
can replace my iPAQ 5550 (BT, WiFi, biometrics)? All new iPAQs seem to be  
more or less oriented towards other tasks then 5550 was.
3. Will HP release a business oriented iPAQ that has all 5550 has and VGA,  
landscape, and more important built-in GSM/GPRS (sim location is designed in  
5550 case, but no connection)

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SE brings a few new features like an improved Pocket Internet Explorer +
Connection Manager which is supposedly going to make things a lot easier;
On the fly landscape/portrait mode switching, etc. and likely some bugs
from WM2003 were eliminated as well in SE. there's more articles in this
group that have the SE features listed.
 
As far as I know, the devices I mentioned are the new line of iPAQ's.
Biometrics have been scrapped and replaced with a touchpad with mouse
pointer on screen in the iPAQ hx4700, which is the closest to the 5550
as far as I can see. it has BT, WLAN and IR like the 5550, just no
Biometric scanner, less RAM and more ROM.
you can look at it here:
http://www.pdashop.nl/product/3430
it's in dutch, unfortunately. but there are other sites which have the
new models outlined as well.
the new models seem to be more oriented towards being a portable
media center rather than a serious personal/business PDA.
HP has not said anything about other models that would include advanced
security options like the Biometric scanner on the 5550.
There is however the iPAQ 6315, which has GSM capabilities but greatly
lacks in processing power and does not come with SE.
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
"modeleromy" <modeleromy_at@yaho0_dot.com> wrote in
news:uwozWOFhEHA.1724@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:  
 
> True. But few questions.
>  
> 1. Is SE bringing new features or just update for new hardware features  
> (VGA, landscape, etc)
> 2. Does HP have a line of new SE based products (I cannot find them)
> that can replace my iPAQ 5550 (BT, WiFi, biometrics)? All new iPAQs seem
> to be more or less oriented towards other tasks then 5550 was.
> 3. Will HP release a business oriented iPAQ that has all 5550 has and
> VGA, landscape, and more important built-in GSM/GPRS (sim location is
> designed in 5550 case, but no connection)
 
 
 
 
 
 
--  
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================

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"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message  
news:Xns95489A80F2687FearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> SE brings a few new features like an improved Pocket Internet Explorer +
> Connection Manager which is supposedly going to make things a lot easier;
> On the fly landscape/portrait mode switching, etc. and likely some bugs
> from WM2003 were eliminated as well in SE. there's more articles in this
> group that have the SE features listed.
>
> As far as I know, the devices I mentioned are the new line of iPAQ's.
> Biometrics have been scrapped and replaced with a touchpad with mouse
> pointer on screen in the iPAQ hx4700, which is the closest to the 5550
> as far as I can see. it has BT, WLAN and IR like the 5550, just no
> Biometric scanner, less RAM and more ROM.
> you can look at it here:
> http://www.pdashop.nl/product/3430
> it's in dutch, unfortunately. but there are other sites which have the
> new models outlined as well.
> the new models seem to be more oriented towards being a portable
> media center rather than a serious personal/business PDA.
> HP has not said anything about other models that would include advanced
> security options like the Biometric scanner on the 5550.
> There is however the iPAQ 6315, which has GSM capabilities but greatly
> lacks in processing power and does not come with SE.
 
My point exactly. Ugly... What about WM 2004? If WM 2003 is CE 4.21, which  
one is CE 5.0?
 
Thanks!

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"David Cleland" <davidcleland@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Along with the SE upgrade i'd also like to have full support back
> > on the current line of iPAQ's.. I feel deserted knowing my very
> > expensive iPAQ 5550 is only 6 months in my posession and already
> > considered "old", and the only update we get is WPA support.
> > WPA support is nice, but it doesn't weigh up to an OS upgrade &
> > decent product support.
> > it's ridiculous, HP is cutting into their own fingers and into
> > their customer's fingers.
>
> I totally agree, it is a way of not only forcing us to upgrade but it
forces
> the price down and makes me reluctant to buy again.
>
> I bought a 4150 in Jan and it cost me £405, you can not pick them up for
> £250 it is completely unreal it makes them valueless really. Unless you
> replace it every sixth months you will always loose money OR be left
behind
> on features.
>
> David
>
>
 
You need to consider the value of the machine in what it does for you- that
hasn't changed.
There are lots of things lose some monetary value when new models come out,
like cars. It also doesn't change it's actual worth to you- it also doesn't
suddenly lose some of the things it could do.
You are being too money-minded not machine-minded. The machine hasn't
suddenly lost any abilities it had when you bought it, so if you think it is
now lacking look at your self- *you* chose it as being suitable. If you
bought it as a long term money based investment you seem to be choosing the
wrong type of investment.

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Well, unless I missed something, there is no WM2004/CE 5.0. yet.
 
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
"modeleromy" <modeleromy_at@yaho0_dot.com> wrote in
newsHnok0FhEHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:  
 
> My point exactly. Ugly... What about WM 2004? If WM 2003 is CE 4.21,
> which one is CE 5.0?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
>  
 
 
 
--  
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================

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ACE!!! wrote:
 
> Nope. And Microsoft has already released SE, to the PPC OEM's.
> It is up to the OEM of the PPC to roll out the SE upgrades.
>  
> HP dropped the current line of iPAQ's from production and is now
> focusing on an entirely new line of iPAQ's equipped with 2003SE.
> they are not providing the SE upgrade for the existing line iPAQ's.
> Look here where SS style censors reign:
> http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/ [...] dId=641503
 
anyone found a ROM update i can use? Cant see anything on file sharing  
networks.
 
 
--  
Marc
See http://www.imarc.co.uk/ for contact details.

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"AlanS" <news@remove.abyz.fslife.co.uk> wrote in
news:cftbgk$27g$4@news5.svr.pol.co.uk:  
 
> If you bought it as a long term money based investment you seem to be
> choosing the wrong type of investment.
 
 
 
This is where I feel you are wrong. If people buy a $600+ PDA
it is highly unacceptable that it only has 1 year running life
with the company that built it. For comparison i'll tell you
why I chose to invest for the long term:
 
1.  The money goes into the device
2.  Two years of factory warranty
3.  Another 3 years of extended warranty
4.  A Cover Pack sleeve with screenshield
5.  A Brando screen protector
6.  90 days of technical support from HP
7.  5 Business day Pick up & Return service
8.  Plans to extend the functions in the near future
    with sleeves and SD/CF/PCMCIA cards, cables and
    other accessories
9.  That point 2 and 3 will guarantee me that I WILL
    get my device repaired or replaced when it fails
    for whatever reason due to hardware/software faillure
10. Future battery/cable/cradle replacements
can you think of any other reasons?
 
 
 
There's some points outlined on Silicon Valley Pocket PC
http://thoughts.svpocketpc.com#THO [...] SE_UPGRADE
that you might want to read if you didn't already.
 
Warning! Rant below:
 
But; in essence.
You're right, the machine doesn't lose the functions it came
with when the 2003SE upgrade saw the light, it still does it's
job like it said on the box it came in. But SE offers some
enhancements to those functions that many people have been
waiting for for a long time, like font scaling. or landscape view
without having to soft reset every time you switch, an improved
PIE's new single column mode, an improved connection manager,
are things people want in Windows Mobile. HP effectively denies
people these benefits for their practically new PPC's along with
dropping support to a level that can't even be called inferior, it's
simply not there anymore.
So while SE doesn't cripple the PPC you already have in your
hands, it does cripple your faith in the company and it's support.
I personally find it disgusting that they gladly receive your hard
earned money, but refuse to give you anything in return that is even
remotely worthy of being called 'Support'. Handing out a small tweak in
a driver set that allows for proper WPA support and then letting the
devices go for good doesn't cut it with me.
I also bought this machine with eye on the future, And I spent weeks
trying and waiting, blood sweat and tears and a load of money to get my
hands on my iPAQ because simply it was the best of the batch, it had the
best support available out of other brands and the most options for
expansion available whenever I wanted it. I expected at least -one-
upgrade because that was their reputation, and I most certainly want ALL
of my 5 years worth of extended warranty and not a "I'm sorry sir. but
this device was discontinued, we can no longer offer support for it
because we deem it inappropriate for reasons we shall not share with you,
and if you try to speak up about or ask questions that we feel are
hitting a little too close to base, we'll be forced to muzzle you."
 
For me SE is not as much an OS upgrade, it's also a bugfix. it fixes
things that should have been addressed BEFORE WM2003 was distributed.
period. HP should have the decency to support their customers instead
of spreading lies through HP Rep's and denying the utterly obvious.
So if that makes me money minded too, i'm sorry. I spent a lot on my 5550
and I expect it to be supported longer than 6 months after purchase.
my company will also want the same thing from HP, after the thousands they
spend a month ago on their 'value added' and 'innovative' equipment.
 
 
 
$0.002 (no, not a typo)
 
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
--  
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================

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What device? What connection type? What OS is the computer with
the shared folders running? Is NETBIOS enabled? are the folders
properly shared, are you using passwords on the shares?
 
 
 
~S.
 
 
 
 
 
Marc <see@signature.url> wrote in news:1092767239.19690.1
@dyke.uk.clara.net:
 
> anyone found a ROM update i can use? Cant see anything on file sharing  
> networks.
>  
>  
 
 
 
--  
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:11:50 -0700, ACE!!! wrote:
 
> SE brings a few new features like an improved Pocket Internet Explorer +
> Connection Manager which is supposedly going to make things a lot easier;
> On the fly landscape/portrait mode switching, etc. and likely some bugs
> from WM2003 were eliminated as well in SE. there's more articles in this
> group that have the SE features listed.
 
The improved IE was the only reason I wanted SE, but let's face it, it's
not going to make browsing web pages suddenly wonderful on the tiny screen.
 
There aren't any new APIs we're going to be missing out on.  I think the
eyecandy is slightly more modern, that would also be nice.  But the
connectivity in WM2003 is already modern enough, I am not crying over
missing out.
 
An ipaq is never going to be a good web browsing machine, or really
useful as an email machine. It is only useful for custom apps.
 
I have written several custom apps that make the machine useful, and I
scratch a bit of text or two into a note.  I wrote my own sync app using
PocketOutlook to populate the Contacts, Appointments, Tasks from my own
home-brewed Linux PIM, but I mostly just read the info on the PPC, not
enter it.
 
So in short I don't think we're losing out too drastically with SE.  It's
like going from 95 to 98 to 98SE to Me, all you're really missing out on
is bloat.  Consider yourself fortunate to have a bit more space on the
device for your data, SE is probably more bloated than it is better.

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"Saint Stephen" <saint@stephen.com> wrote in message
newsan.2004.08.18.01.21.38.693210@stephen.com...
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:11:50 -0700, ACE!!! wrote:
>
> > SE brings a few new features like an improved Pocket Internet Explorer +
> > Connection Manager which is supposedly going to make things a lot
easier;
> > On the fly landscape/portrait mode switching, etc. and likely some bugs
> > from WM2003 were eliminated as well in SE. there's more articles in this
> > group that have the SE features listed.
>
> The improved IE was the only reason I wanted SE, but let's face it, it's
> not going to make browsing web pages suddenly wonderful on the tiny
screen.
>
> There aren't any new APIs we're going to be missing out on.  I think the
> eyecandy is slightly more modern, that would also be nice.  But the
> connectivity in WM2003 is already modern enough, I am not crying over
> missing out.
>
> An ipaq is never going to be a good web browsing machine, or really
> useful as an email machine. It is only useful for custom apps.
>
> I have written several custom apps that make the machine useful, and I
> scratch a bit of text or two into a note.  I wrote my own sync app using
> PocketOutlook to populate the Contacts, Appointments, Tasks from my own
> home-brewed Linux PIM, but I mostly just read the info on the PPC, not
> enter it.
>
> So in short I don't think we're losing out too drastically with SE.  It's
> like going from 95 to 98 to 98SE to Me, all you're really missing out on
> is bloat.  Consider yourself fortunate to have a bit more space on the
> device for your data, SE is probably more bloated than it is better.
 
 
See, there's a silver lining in every cloud
 
--  
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Hope you find one. You will most certainly brick your PPC.  Regardless of
how simple the pundits want to believe it is, you cannot take what MS
released to the OEMs and flash a 2002 box and have it work. There are OEM
additions that must be added. If they are not developed, they do not exist.
Yea there was a preliminary SE update for the 2200 flashed at a developer
event. Read up on it before you decide you want it.
 
--  
Sven, MS-MVP  Mobile Devices
"Marc" <see@signature.url> wrote in message
news:1092767239.19690.1@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> ACE!!! wrote:
>
> > Nope. And Microsoft has already released SE, to the PPC OEM's.
> > It is up to the OEM of the PPC to roll out the SE upgrades.
> >
> > HP dropped the current line of iPAQ's from production and is now
> > focusing on an entirely new line of iPAQ's equipped with 2003SE.
> > they are not providing the SE upgrade for the existing line iPAQ's.
> > Look here where SS style censors reign:
> >
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/ [...] dId=641503
>
> anyone found a ROM update i can use? Cant see anything on file sharing
> networks.
>
>
> --  
> Marc
> See http://www.imarc.co.uk/ for contact details.