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I have been a Cingular customer for the past 18 months of a 2 year
contract. I in the process of moving and there is no Cingular sevice
were I am moving, although I am only moving about 12 miles within the
same ZIP code (rural Georgetown County in SC). There is good Verizon
signal at my new location. Cingular customer service says I must pay
a $70 cancellation fee. Is there any exception for moving that will
suspend this fee?

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In article <b1ing09clvlnbc9ku6j4gmbsoi6ljtmht9@4ax.com>,
Bob Niles <rjnilesnospam@msn.com> wrote:

> I have been a Cingular customer for the past 18 months of a 2 year
> contract. I in the process of moving and there is no Cingular sevice
> were I am moving, although I am only moving about 12 miles within the
> same ZIP code (rural Georgetown County in SC). There is good Verizon
> signal at my new location. Cingular customer service says I must pay
> a $70 cancellation fee. Is there any exception for moving that will
> suspend this fee?

Write to your State's Attorney General with a certified copy to Cingular
Corporate HQ.

The basic common law principle of "FIT FOR PURPOSE" applies. They sell
you a phone, and you can't use it, how can they charge you for service?

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In article <RM123-C918AA.14385231072004@news03.east.earthlink.net>,
Robert <RM123@faq.cIty> wrote:

> In article <b1ing09clvlnbc9ku6j4gmbsoi6ljtmht9@4ax.com>,
> Bob Niles <rjnilesnospam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I have been a Cingular customer for the past 18 months of a 2 year
> > contract. I in the process of moving and there is no Cingular sevice
> > were I am moving, although I am only moving about 12 miles within the
> > same ZIP code (rural Georgetown County in SC). There is good Verizon
> > signal at my new location. Cingular customer service says I must pay
> > a $70 cancellation fee. Is there any exception for moving that will
> > suspend this fee?
>
> Write to your State's Attorney General with a certified copy to Cingular
> Corporate HQ.
>
> The basic common law principle of "FIT FOR PURPOSE" applies. They sell
> you a phone, and you can't use it, how can they charge you for service?

You can't be lawyer if you pull that principle out of hat and think it
applies here.

It worked for 18 months, right? He signed a contract and if you don't
cancel service within the first 14 days, you are bound to it. It's also
not Cingular's fault that he is moving.

He should pay the $70 and be done with it. Fight it, he'll lose, and
his credit will suffer. He has no basis to fight it, he's under
contract.

If you go on a 3 week vacation and Cingular has no service there, do you
call CS and demand a refund for those weeks? I think you would.

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>
> It worked for 18 months, right? He signed a contract and if you don't
> cancel service within the first 14 days, you are bound to it. It's also
> not Cingular's fault that he is moving.
>

OK, who would you blame for the fact that Cingular has NO SERVICE in an area
that Verizon does have service? -Dave

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In <2n2ei2Frdoi2U1@uni-berlin.de> on Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:43:22 -0400, "Dave
C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:

>> It worked for 18 months, right? He signed a contract and if you don't
>> cancel service within the first 14 days, you are bound to it. It's also
>> not Cingular's fault that he is moving.
>
>OK, who would you blame for the fact that Cingular has NO SERVICE in an area
>that Verizon does have service? -Dave

There is no blame because there is no guarantee of comparable coverage. It's
called a free market.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In article <xOWOc.5024$54.78947@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <2n2ei2Frdoi2U1@uni-berlin.de> on Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:43:22 -0400, "Dave
> C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
>
> >> It worked for 18 months, right? He signed a contract and if you don't
> >> cancel service within the first 14 days, you are bound to it. It's also
> >> not Cingular's fault that he is moving.
> >
> >OK, who would you blame for the fact that Cingular has NO SERVICE in an area
> >that Verizon does have service? -Dave
>
> There is no blame because there is no guarantee of comparable coverage. It's
> called a free market.

Spoken like the Cellular rep you once were and still sound like.

If he truly has no coverage, HE CAN GET OUT OF CONTRACT. The CONTRACT i
hardly as binding in all respects as one might believe. Common law,
State Law etc takes precedence.

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"Robert" <RM123@faq.cIty> wrote in message
news:RM123-C918AA.14385231072004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
> In article <b1ing09clvlnbc9ku6j4gmbsoi6ljtmht9@4ax.com>,
> Bob Niles <rjnilesnospam@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I have been a Cingular customer for the past 18 months of a 2 year
> > contract. I in the process of moving and there is no Cingular sevice
> > were I am moving, although I am only moving about 12 miles within the
> > same ZIP code (rural Georgetown County in SC). There is good Verizon
> > signal at my new location. Cingular customer service says I must pay
> > a $70 cancellation fee. Is there any exception for moving that will
> > suspend this fee?
>
> Write to your State's Attorney General with a certified copy to Cingular
> Corporate HQ.
>
> The basic common law principle of "FIT FOR PURPOSE" applies. They sell
> you a phone, and you can't use it, how can they charge you for service?

Please tell me- where in the contract does the company take liability for
service it never provided? I don't see anything about guaranteed blanket
coverage. Are you saying that they are responsible for providing new
service, based on someone's desire to move? Can you please point out any
industry that does this/

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"Robert" <RM123@faq.cIty> wrote in message
news:RM123-DF08F7.22235431072004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
> In article <xOWOc.5024$54.78947@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
> >
> > In <2n2ei2Frdoi2U1@uni-berlin.de> on Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:43:22 -0400,
"Dave
> > C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> It worked for 18 months, right? He signed a contract and if you
don't
> > >> cancel service within the first 14 days, you are bound to it. It's
also
> > >> not Cingular's fault that he is moving.
> > >
> > >OK, who would you blame for the fact that Cingular has NO SERVICE in an
area
> > >that Verizon does have service? -Dave
> >
> > There is no blame because there is no guarantee of comparable coverage.
It's
> > called a free market.
>
> Spoken like the Cellular rep you once were and still sound like.
>
> If he truly has no coverage, HE CAN GET OUT OF CONTRACT. The CONTRACT i
> hardly as binding in all respects as one might believe. Common law,
> State Law etc takes precedence.

And after a year, you have shown no proof that this is the case. You blab
on like a whiney child about this, and yet the contracts HAVE been upheld,
and no carrier has been ordered to immediately terminate service when a
customer moves outside traditional coverage areas for that carrier.

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"Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote in message news:<2n2ei2Frdoi2U1@uni-berlin.de>...

> OK, who would you blame for the fact that Cingular has NO SERVICE in an area
> that Verizon does have service? -Dave

I'd blame Cingular... IF Cingular was somehow forcing the OP to move
to a non-Cingular area.

However, since the OP is moving due to circumstances beyond Cingular's
control, why are they to blame?

The OP received due consideration for his committment- a reduced price
(or free) phone. Cingular is one of the few wireless providers that
offers no-contract service if you supply your own hardware or pay full
price for equipment. No one forced the OP to commit to two years.
Why should Cingular "eat" their subsidy because the OP decides to
move?

If you buy a gift certificate to a local restaurant and move 1000
miles away, is the restaurant's fault they don't have a locality near
your new house?

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In <RM123-DF08F7.22235431072004@news03.east.earthlink.net> on Sun, 01 Aug 2004
03:23:51 GMT, Robert <RM123@faq.cIty> wrote:

>In article <xOWOc.5024$54.78947@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>> There is no blame because there is no guarantee of co mparable coverage. It's
>> called a free market.
>
>Spoken like the Cellular rep you once were and still sound like.

Not even a nice try, as you would know if you'd actually done any homework,
instead of just spewing -- as I've made clear, I have *no* connection to *any*
cellular company other than as a customer.

>If he truly has no coverage, HE CAN GET OUT OF CONTRACT.

Not true.

>The CONTRACT i
>hardly as binding in all respects as one might believe. Common law,
>State Law etc takes precedence.

As you a lawyer and is this a legal opinion? Or is it just more misinformed
ranting? ;-)

Under the circumstances as stated, the contract is binding on the OP.

Moral: If you want the freedom to cancel, then don't sign a term contract.
Go month-to-month, as I do.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <de37a2e0.0407312229.197b362f@posting.google.com> on 31 Jul 2004 23:29:37
-0700, elecconnec@aol.com (Todd Allcock) wrote:

>"Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> wrote in message news:<2n2ei2Frdoi2U1@uni-berlin.de>...
>
>> OK, who would you blame for the fact that Cingular has NO SERVICE in an area
>> that Verizon does have service? -Dave
>
>I'd blame Cingular... IF Cingular was somehow forcing the OP to move
>to a non-Cingular area.
>
>However, since the OP is moving due to circumstances beyond Cingular's
>control, why are they to blame?
>
>The OP received due consideration for his committment- a reduced price
>(or free) phone. Cingular is one of the few wireless providers that
>offers no-contract service if you supply your own hardware or pay full
>price for equipment. No one forced the OP to commit to two years.
>Why should Cingular "eat" their subsidy because the OP decides to
>move?
>
>If you buy a gift certificate to a local restaurant and move 1000
>miles away, is the restaurant's fault they don't have a locality near
>your new house?

Well put.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In article <g8adnWmXM9_i-JHcRVn-vQ@adelphia.com>,
"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Please tell me- where in the contract does the company take liability for
> service it never provided?

I guess it might come down to the coverage map. If their map
represented service in the area, but their map is wrong, then Cingular
holds the burden here.

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In article <9O1Pc.5055$54.79655@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >If you buy a gift certificate to a local restaurant and move 1000
> >miles away, is the restaurant's fault they don't have a locality near
> >your new house?
>
> Well put.

No but many will happily give a refund. Verizon typically does upon
request.

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In article <wN1Pc.5054$54.79714@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <RM123-DF08F7.22235431072004@news03.east.earthlink.net> on Sun, 01 Aug
> 2004
> 03:23:51 GMT, Robert <RM123@faq.cIty> wrote:
>
> >In article <xOWOc.5024$54.78947@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> >> There is no blame because there is no guarantee of co mparable coverage.
> >> It's
> >> called a free market.
> >
> >Spoken like the Cellular rep you once were and still sound like.
>
> Not even a nice try, as you would know if you'd actually done any homework,
> instead of just spewing -- as I've made clear, I have *no* connection to
> *any*
> cellular company other than as a customer.
>
> >If he truly has no coverage, HE CAN GET OUT OF CONTRACT.
>
> Not true.

Happens all the time.