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Not sure if I am in the right place for this post, but I'll give it a
try anyway...you can always redirect me to a more appropriate ng.

Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
will fit my bill.

As I have had a couple of Dell Dimensions, I first went to Dell to see
what kind of tower they could offer me (don't need monitor, keyboard,
mouse, speakers). Although I have been a Dell user, that doesn't mean
I have to stay with Dell.

I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:

P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
drive
v.92/56K pci datafax modem
Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
Wordperfect prod pask, v12

So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.

Thanks,
Adam

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> Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
> fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
> my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
> where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
> will fit my bill.

> I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>
> P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
> 1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
> 160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
> 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> 16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
> drive
> v.92/56K pci datafax modem
> Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
> PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
> Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>
> So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
> not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
> get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
> what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
> lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam

I built a similar system for a mate who wanted it for digital photography a
couple of months ago.

It has:
ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard
AMD XP2800 cpu retail with HSF
ASUS Radeon 9600se 128Mb Graphics card
1GB PC3200 memory (two 512MB sticks)
2x Maxtor 160GB ata133 72000rpm drives (8MB cache on each)
Plextor 708 DVD Burner
Sony CDRW combo
MS Intellimouse optical mouse
Internal 7 in 1 card reader
All in a standard case with 400w PSU

He went AMD route as the equillivant P4 chip was £100 more.

Graphics card is an SE edition but is more than enough for 2D work, (he
never plays games)

Went IDE route over SATA as there was no real increase in speed for the,
admittedly little, extra cost.

The two hard drives are partitioned as below:
Drive 1
C = 20GB for Windows and Photoshop plus all programs
D = 140GB data storage
Drive 2
E = 20GB Scratch drive for Photoshop and temp files
F = 140GB Back up D in case of drive failure

DVD burner is _only_ for burning DVDs all disk reading is done on the Sony
Combo drive, its how he wanted it done, but with two drives he can do disk
copying 'on the fly'.

So far it is running well with no problems. He is very pleased with the
performance at a cost of under £400 (UK)

Adam S

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Adam S wrote:

>>Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
>>fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
>>my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
>>where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
>>will fit my bill.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>>
>>P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
>>1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
>>160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
>>128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>>16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
>>drive
>>v.92/56K pci datafax modem
>>Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
>>PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
>>Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>>
>>So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
>>not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
>>get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
>>what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
>>lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Adam
>>
>>
>
>I built a similar system for a mate who wanted it for digital photography a
>couple of months ago.
>
>It has:
>ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard
>AMD XP2800 cpu retail with HSF
>ASUS Radeon 9600se 128Mb Graphics card
>1GB PC3200 memory (two 512MB sticks)
>2x Maxtor 160GB ata133 72000rpm drives (8MB cache on each)
>Plextor 708 DVD Burner
>Sony CDRW combo
>MS Intellimouse optical mouse
>Internal 7 in 1 card reader
>All in a standard case with 400w PSU
>
>He went AMD route as the equillivant P4 chip was £100 more.
>
>Graphics card is an SE edition but is more than enough for 2D work, (he
>never plays games)
>
>Went IDE route over SATA as there was no real increase in speed for the,
>admittedly little, extra cost.
>
>The two hard drives are partitioned as below:
>Drive 1
>C = 20GB for Windows and Photoshop plus all programs
>D = 140GB data storage
>Drive 2
>E = 20GB Scratch drive for Photoshop and temp files
>F = 140GB Back up D in case of drive failure
>
>DVD burner is _only_ for burning DVDs all disk reading is done on the Sony
>Combo drive, its how he wanted it done, but with two drives he can do disk
>copying 'on the fly'.
>
>So far it is running well with no problems. He is very pleased with the
>performance at a cost of under £400 (UK)
>
>Adam S
>
>
>
>
Hi. Quite interesting in that your system is, indeed, similar to the
one I've been thinking about. And, in terms of US$, it only comes to
about $750. However, I guess putting in the XP, word processing stuff,
modem/fax, AV, would have cost a bit more. I like the ideas of putting
in an internal card reader and the use of two disk drives. I imagine I
could use a smaller second drive as just a scratch disk. Although,
having a big back up is worthwhile, also.

As I probably would have to have some one put this together for me, what
do you think the extra costs would be?

Adam (aslo Adam S)

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Adam wrote:

> Not sure if I am in the right place for this post, but I'll give it a
> try anyway...you can always redirect me to a more appropriate ng.
>
> Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
> fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
> my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
> where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
> will fit my bill.
>
> As I have had a couple of Dell Dimensions, I first went to Dell to see
> what kind of tower they could offer me (don't need monitor, keyboard,
> mouse, speakers). Although I have been a Dell user, that doesn't mean
> I have to stay with Dell.
>
> I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>
> P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
> 1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
> 160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
> 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> 16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
> drive
> v.92/56K pci datafax modem
> Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
> PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
> Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>
> So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
> not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
> get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
> what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
> lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
You dont need a big fancy multimedia computer just to view photos. Any
average business computer is good enough for photographic work. A 2.0Gig
P4 is plenty fast enough. An average quality video card is good enough. I
like the ATI 9600 as a video card it is a good video card that can handle
most video games even though it is an averge video card. Well maybe slight
above average at around $100.00 You probably want around a 80-120 Gig Hard
Drive to store the photos on. You do not need 1 gig of ram unless you plan
on using a high end photo software. I play games on 512megs just fine.

You can get one combo CD/CDRW/DVDRW drive and that will be enough. You dont
have to have a DVD writable drive, but more photos will fit on a DVD.

You can get an internal or external Flash card reader. A 7-in-1 flash
reader will probably do great. Mitsumi is making a floppy drive CF flash
card reader combo for $35.00. If you buy a dell you might get a free
Digital camera or scanner or something with it for free. They run specials
from time to time.

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In article <10f8s7pn12cge38@corp.supernews.com>,
Last Boy Scout <eggbtr@charter.net> wrote:
>Adam wrote:
>
>> Not sure if I am in the right place for this post, but I'll give it a
>> try anyway...you can always redirect me to a more appropriate ng.
>>
>> Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
>> fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
>> my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
>> where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
>> will fit my bill.
>>
>> As I have had a couple of Dell Dimensions, I first went to Dell to see
>> what kind of tower they could offer me (don't need monitor, keyboard,
>> mouse, speakers). Although I have been a Dell user, that doesn't mean
>> I have to stay with Dell.
>>
>> I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>>
>> P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
>> 1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
>> 160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
>> 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>> 16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
>> drive
>> v.92/56K pci datafax modem
>> Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
>> PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
>> Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>>
>> So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
>> not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
>> get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
>> what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
>> lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adam
>>
>You dont need a big fancy multimedia computer just to view photos. Any
>average business computer is good enough for photographic work. A 2.0Gig
>P4 is plenty fast enough. An average quality video card is good enough. I
>like the ATI 9600 as a video card it is a good video card that can handle
>most video games even though it is an averge video card. Well maybe slight
>above average at around $100.00 You probably want around a 80-120 Gig Hard
>Drive to store the photos on. You do not need 1 gig of ram unless you plan
>on using a high end photo software. I play games on 512megs just fine.
>
>You can get one combo CD/CDRW/DVDRW drive and that will be enough. You dont
>have to have a DVD writable drive, but more photos will fit on a DVD.
>
>You can get an internal or external Flash card reader. A 7-in-1 flash
>reader will probably do great. Mitsumi is making a floppy drive CF flash
>card reader combo for $35.00. If you buy a dell you might get a free
>Digital camera or scanner or something with it for free. They run specials
>from time to time.

If you are starting out with photography a package like Adobe
Photoshop Elements or Ulead will do everything you need and get you
will into the intermediate level. It will run fine in 512MB but can
benefit from a second hard disk and /or 10krpm disks.

Photography doesn't need a 3D card. a 2D Matrox card is fine. Matrox
cards are highly regarded for color quality.

LCD screens that are good enough for color work are still very
expensive, so don't rush out to replace your CRT.

Picking a good color printer is a whole new topic. I've seen great
results from an Epson R200 printer which costs $99. It uses 6
cartridges, and a replacement set costs almost as much as a new
printer, but they don't all run out at once.

Budget enough money for toner and paper while you are learning.
OTOH, pictures on a good CRT do look spectacular and you might
just work for the CRT and web, instead of printing.

I don't know what DIM is (as in "160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive" )

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In article <2li5k2Fd2hrrU1@uni-berlin.de>, adam001forgetit@optonline.net
says...
> Not sure if I am in the right place for this post, but I'll give it a
> try anyway...you can always redirect me to a more appropriate ng.
>
> Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
> fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
> my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
> where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
> will fit my bill.
>
> As I have had a couple of Dell Dimensions, I first went to Dell to see
> what kind of tower they could offer me (don't need monitor, keyboard,
> mouse, speakers). Although I have been a Dell user, that doesn't mean
> I have to stay with Dell.
>
> I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>
> P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
> 1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
> 160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
> 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
> 16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
> drive
> v.92/56K pci datafax modem
> Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
> PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
> Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>
> So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
> not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
> get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
> what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
> lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
>
Although Dell will work well, be aware that they are not what they used
to be. All their tech support for individuals (vs corporations) is now
outsourced and you are forced to plod through endless scripts to get any
help at all, should you need it.

Dell cuts many corners, often including video and sound cards with the
same names, but made especially for Dell and usually not quite as good.

And my last serious issue with recent Dells: they are noisy. I have
set up three Dells for friends in the last 1 1/2 years, the last one
just two weeks ago, all the hard drives emit a high pitched whine. Some
have noisy case/cpu fans and some don't.

I would take a serious look at the Dell newsgroup before deciding on one
of their machines.

BTW, one real advantage to a SATA drive is that the cable is much
thinner, thereby allowing for more air flow through the machine.

Louise

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Louise <none@nospam.com> said:

> And my last serious issue with recent Dells: they are noisy.

Interesting, the very reason I bought a Dell was because they are so quiet
compared to the AMD based systems I have built. I can barely hear mine
run. It is 2 years old.
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"Mac Cool" <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9526245BC1FAMacCool@24.25.9.42...
> Louise <none@nospam.com> said:
>
> > And my last serious issue with recent Dells: they are noisy.
>
> Interesting, the very reason I bought a Dell was because they are so quiet
> compared to the AMD based systems I have built. I can barely hear mine
> run. It is 2 years old.
> --
> Mac Cool

My wife's XP 2500+ system is nearly silent. I sit maybe two feet from it in
a quiet room, and I can't hear it, unless the optical drives spin up.
There's no magic involved in making a quiet computer system. You just have
to understand that one noisy fan can create more noise (all by itself) than
half a dozen QUIET fans all running at the same time. (The worst offenders
are CPU fans and video card fans because they run at really high RPM). If
you keep that in mind, you can have a super cool system running super quiet.
This has nothing to do with AMD or Intel at all, other than periodically,
one will take the lead as far as hottest processor (one that requires most
cooling) goes. At the moment, I understand that's the Prescott core P4. So
if it's quiet you seek, maybe Athlon64 would be a better starting point, at
the moment. But you should be able to build either AMD or Intel, and build
it quietly. Just pay attention to ALL the fan specs, and don't forget the
motherboard and it's little pesky chipset fan(s). -Dave

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"Dave C." <mdupre@sff.net> said:

> You just have to understand that one noisy fan can create
> more noise (all by itself) than half a dozen QUIET fans all running
> at the same time. (The worst offenders are CPU fans and video card
> fans because they run at really high RPM).

Yep, the video card fan (Gainward GF3) on my previous system was louder
than all the fans on my Dell put together. Plus I had an uber heat sink &
fan to keep that Thunderbird cool. I eventually installed an evaporative
water cooling system to get rid of the noise. (Water cooling is the bomb)

How important is the case when building a quiet PC? I've used middling
priced cases in the past, not cheap but nothing special.

Mac Cool

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>
> Yep, the video card fan (Gainward GF3) on my previous system was louder
> than all the fans on my Dell put together. Plus I had an uber heat sink &
> fan to keep that Thunderbird cool. I eventually installed an evaporative
> water cooling system to get rid of the noise. (Water cooling is the bomb)
>
> How important is the case when building a quiet PC? I've used middling
> priced cases in the past, not cheap but nothing special.
>
> Mac Cool

The case isn't very important at all, unless you care about such things as
hard drive vibration. I've never understood why someone who isn't bothered
by the constant drone of cooling fans really hates to hear the relatively
benign clicking of a hard drive. But other than dampening vibration from
disk drives, the only way to sound proof a case (such as to lessen cooling
fan drone) is to INSULATE it, which makes it harder to cool, which means you
need more airflow, which means you end up with more noise, if you aren't
careful. So it's a wash. If you want to throw more money at a system to
make it cooler, throw the money at a high-quality "silent" design power
supply, a CPU heatsink that will accept a quiet CASE fan and a passively
cooled mid-range video card (they do exist). IMHO -Dave

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Louise wrote:

>In article <2li5k2Fd2hrrU1@uni-berlin.de>, adam001forgetit@optonline.net
>says...
>
>
>>Not sure if I am in the right place for this post, but I'll give it a
>>try anyway...you can always redirect me to a more appropriate ng.
>>
>>Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
>>fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
>>my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
>>where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
>>will fit my bill.
>>
>>As I have had a couple of Dell Dimensions, I first went to Dell to see
>>what kind of tower they could offer me (don't need monitor, keyboard,
>>mouse, speakers). Although I have been a Dell user, that doesn't mean
>>I have to stay with Dell.
>>
>>I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>>
>>P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
>>1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
>>160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
>>128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>>16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
>>drive
>>v.92/56K pci datafax modem
>>Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
>>PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
>>Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>>
>>So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
>>not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
>>get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
>>what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
>>lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Although Dell will work well, be aware that they are not what they used
>to be. All their tech support for individuals (vs corporations) is now
>outsourced and you are forced to plod through endless scripts to get any
>help at all, should you need it.
>
>Dell cuts many corners, often including video and sound cards with the
>same names, but made especially for Dell and usually not quite as good.
>
>And my last serious issue with recent Dells: they are noisy. I have
>set up three Dells for friends in the last 1 1/2 years, the last one
>just two weeks ago, all the hard drives emit a high pitched whine. Some
>have noisy case/cpu fans and some don't.
>
>I would take a serious look at the Dell newsgroup before deciding on one
>of their machines.
>
>BTW, one real advantage to a SATA drive is that the cable is much
>thinner, thereby allowing for more air flow through the machine.
>
>Louise
>
>
Louise,
I understand you Dell concerns. I got two computers from them about 4-5
years ago. The older one runs fairly silently, but the newer one makes
a racket! Also, I know that their tech support now comes with a
language translator, or at least a dialect filter.

Of course, if I could get someone to build what I need with the
components I want, that would be ideal. But then again, there is the
budget. I just need the tower (no keyboard, mouse, etc), but then to
pay for the XP OS, will add significant $. So, I guess I'm sort of trapped.

Thanks for your help.

Adam

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Adam S wrote:

>>Just getting into photography as a hobby and want to get a new comp to
>>fit my needs (along with net surfing and email). I will not be building
>>my own comp, but hope that I can get some advise as to components and
>>where I could go to have a comp built and/or where I can get one that
>>will fit my bill.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>I looked at Dell's 4600 with the following components:
>>
>>P4, 2.8GHZ, HT, 800MHz FSB
>>1GB DDR SDRAM at 400HZ
>>160GB SATA, 7200 rpm, DIM drive
>>128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
>>16x dvd-rom, 4600, DIM decoding software, dvd cyberlinx dvd+r/cdwr combo
>>drive
>>v.92/56K pci datafax modem
>>Integrated intel pro 100M PCI
>>PLUS the regular software installed: Norton AV, Soundblaster 5.1,
>>Wordperfect prod pask, v12
>>
>>So, if you think these kinds of components will do the job for me (if
>>not please suggest changes), can you suggest either where I can go to
>>get it built or which other manufacturers I could go to? Of course,
>>what I"m looking for is to either have this set up made or bought for a
>>lesser price than Dell (around $1000) and to have good reliability.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Adam
>>
>>
>
>I built a similar system for a mate who wanted it for digital photography a
>couple of months ago.
>
>It has:
>ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard
>AMD XP2800 cpu retail with HSF
>ASUS Radeon 9600se 128Mb Graphics card
>1GB PC3200 memory (two 512MB sticks)
>2x Maxtor 160GB ata133 72000rpm drives (8MB cache on each)
>Plextor 708 DVD Burner
>Sony CDRW combo
>MS Intellimouse optical mouse
>Internal 7 in 1 card reader
>All in a standard case with 400w PSU
>
>He went AMD route as the equillivant P4 chip was £100 more.
>
>Graphics card is an SE edition but is more than enough for 2D work, (he
>never plays games)
>
>Went IDE route over SATA as there was no real increase in speed for the,
>admittedly little, extra cost.
>
>The two hard drives are partitioned as below:
>Drive 1
>C = 20GB for Windows and Photoshop plus all programs
>D = 140GB data storage
>Drive 2
>E = 20GB Scratch drive for Photoshop and temp files
>F = 140GB Back up D in case of drive failure
>
>DVD burner is _only_ for burning DVDs all disk reading is done on the Sony
>Combo drive, its how he wanted it done, but with two drives he can do disk
>copying 'on the fly'.
>
>So far it is running well with no problems. He is very pleased with the
>performance at a cost of under £400 (UK)
>
>Adam S
>
>
>
>
From what you wrote about your components, I guess I'm on the right
track. Your unit seems to have been pretty inexpensive. But I guess if
I add on having to pay someone and having to pay for an XP OS, the cost
will be similar to that from Dell.

Thanks for your help,

Adam

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