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According to a MetaFacts, Inc. 2004 survey using responses from about 30,000
questionnaires:
Fifty-eight percent of American households own PCs.
Twenty-seven of American housholds have broadband internet connection.
Fifty-seven percent of American households have some form of internet
connection.

According to another source, 535 million PCs are in use world wide.

According to 'mxsmanic' "...there is a big wide world out there beyond the
geeks, and almost no part of it is interested in computers, in any form."


Phil Weldon

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"Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed@example.com> wrote in message
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> According to a MetaFacts, Inc. 2004 survey using responses from about
> 30,000 questionnaires:
> Fifty-eight percent of American households own PCs.
> Twenty-seven of American housholds have broadband internet connection.
> Fifty-seven percent of American households have some form of internet
> connection.
>
> According to another source, 535 million PCs are in use world wide.
>
> According to 'mxsmanic' "...there is a big wide world out there beyond the
> geeks, and almost no part of it is interested in computers, in any form."
>
>
> Phil Weldon
>

*Raises hand* One.

Quixote

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*two*

seriously, i'm slowly discovering this, I'm a geek'ish' sort of person, i
pretty much taught myself everything i know(hence the lack of knowledge,
lol) And it seems the sheer fact that i think the pc won't explode if i open
it, puts me ahead of most people. My mum for instance has been using pc's
since windows 3.1 and yet didn't know what draging - dropping was(she could
do it but never caught the concept). Plus in this world of dells and pc
world, our "kind" is slowly being killed. The demise of shows like the
Screen savers, i think shows that the geek market is shrinking, the younger
generation (of which i am part) would rather just buy a new one of what ever
if they want it faster, or if it breaks. Laziness has become root among the
children...
"Quixote" <quixote@writeme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed@example.com> wrote in message
> news:urble.10564$w21.5553@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> According to a MetaFacts, Inc. 2004 survey using responses from about
>> 30,000 questionnaires:
>> Fifty-eight percent of American households own PCs.
>> Twenty-seven of American housholds have broadband internet connection.
>> Fifty-seven percent of American households have some form of internet
>> connection.
>>
>> According to another source, 535 million PCs are in use world wide.
>>
>> According to 'mxsmanic' "...there is a big wide world out there beyond
>> the geeks, and almost no part of it is interested in computers, in any
>> form."
>>
>>
>> Phil Weldon
>>
>
> *Raises hand* One.
>
> Quixote
>

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I understand what you guys are saying. I am somewhat of a young computer
user myself, though certainly not a novice by any standard. I find that most
of my peers aren't interested in computers further than sending and
receiving emails, browsing the web. Most don't have a computer that can play
3d games. I do Information Processing Technology as a subject at my
highschool, I'm the most advanced in my class when it comes to knowledge and
experience. This subject only attracted 10-12 students out of 120. It's not
a bad thing to be handy with computers in my oppinion, it would do a lot of
good if people knew more using computers. If people knew more about
computers they wouldn't put the spotlight on geeks for knowing too much.
I've noticed that alot of people think it's undesirable to have a large
knowledge of computers, as people who do are stereotyped as nerds. I've got
a couple of friends who refer to me for computer advice, a couple have
chosen to build computers, without my advice they'd be heading down the
wrong road. They'd be riddled with incompatible hardware sockets.

Speaking from the younger generation I would say I'd liked to dump this
computer and buy the latest and greatest everytime I receive a hiccup, but
cost and money is a factor holding us back. I can understand how a novice
would give up at the first sign of trouble as the root of computer problems
can be relatively simple to very complex with a large degree of variedness.

I agree with the statement:
"Laziness has become root among the children"

Peace


"Veritech" <avis.dalrymple@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> *two*
>
> seriously, i'm slowly discovering this, I'm a geek'ish' sort of person, i
> pretty much taught myself everything i know(hence the lack of knowledge,
> lol) And it seems the sheer fact that i think the pc won't explode if i
> open it, puts me ahead of most people. My mum for instance has been using
> pc's since windows 3.1 and yet didn't know what draging - dropping was(she
> could do it but never caught the concept). Plus in this world of dells and
> pc world, our "kind" is slowly being killed. The demise of shows like the
> Screen savers, i think shows that the geek market is shrinking, the
> younger generation (of which i am part) would rather just buy a new one of
> what ever if they want it faster, or if it breaks. Laziness has become
> root among the children...
> "Quixote" <quixote@writeme.com> wrote in message
> news:119al9ua2f0p0e@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Phil Weldon" <notdiscosed@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:urble.10564$w21.5553@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>> According to a MetaFacts, Inc. 2004 survey using responses from about
>>> 30,000 questionnaires:
>>> Fifty-eight percent of American households own PCs.
>>> Twenty-seven of American housholds have broadband internet connection.
>>> Fifty-seven percent of American households have some form of internet
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> According to another source, 535 million PCs are in use world wide.
>>>
>>> According to 'mxsmanic' "...there is a big wide world out there beyond
>>> the geeks, and almost no part of it is interested in computers, in any
>>> form."
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Weldon
>>>
>>
>> *Raises hand* One.
>>
>> Quixote
>>
>
>

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Memphis wrote:

> I understand what you guys are saying. I am somewhat of a young computer
> user myself, though certainly not a novice by any standard. I find that most
> of my peers aren't interested in computers further than sending and
> receiving emails, browsing the web. Most don't have a computer that can play
> 3d games. I do Information Processing Technology as a subject at my
> highschool, I'm the most advanced in my class when it comes to knowledge and
> experience. This subject only attracted 10-12 students out of 120. It's not
> a bad thing to be handy with computers in my oppinion, it would do a lot of
> good if people knew more using computers. If people knew more about
> computers they wouldn't put the spotlight on geeks for knowing too much.
> I've noticed that alot of people think it's undesirable to have a large
> knowledge of computers, as people who do are stereotyped as nerds. I've got
> a couple of friends who refer to me for computer advice, a couple have
> chosen to build computers, without my advice they'd be heading down the
> wrong road. They'd be riddled with incompatible hardware sockets.
>
> Speaking from the younger generation I would say I'd liked to dump this
> computer and buy the latest and greatest everytime I receive a hiccup, but
> cost and money is a factor holding us back. I can understand how a novice
> would give up at the first sign of trouble as the root of computer problems
> can be relatively simple to very complex with a large degree of variedness.
>
> I agree with the statement:
> "Laziness has become root among the children"
>
> Peace

I understand how you feel as I was saying everyone needed to understand
computers long before there were PCs, my argument being they're were going
to be everywhere, but I'm not so sure the rest of your conclusions
necessarily follow. For example, how many have cars and how many take an
auto mechanics course? Or how many have TVs and how many take electronics?

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>
> According to 'mxsmanic' "...there is a big wide world out there beyond the
> geeks, and almost no part of it is interested in computers, in any form."
>
>
> Phil Weldon
>
>
>
>



Right, I can't tell you how frustrated I've become with my parents. My mom
just recently bought a digital camara. She was in town visiting my family,
and took a bunch of pictures. So I told her to send them to me. So she went
to Walmart and had them printed and sent me the prints in the mail! What I
really wanted was for her to email them to me so I could put them in my
digital pictures archive. Well, its a step ahead anyway. At least she's
moved on from film, and she owns a computer. (Granted, its a gateway)

She did the same thing with the old 8 mm reels from when I was a baby. She
paid pretty decent money to have them converted from 8mm to VHS. So, now I'm
stuck converting it from VHS to DVD so that in 20 years my kids will still
be able to enjoy them!

Back to the statistics, I'd really like to see those stats broken down into
age groups. I personnally don't know anyone in my bracket (20-30) that
doesn't have at least 1 computer in the house. And of them, probably 80-90 %
use high speed internet.

But my mom's age bracket (50-60) is probably a much smaller number.

Pat



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The MetaFacts, Inc. report is broken down into groups at
http://www.metafactsusa.com/pages/ [...] 04_d07.htm .

I haven't seen MetaFacts analysis before, but their USA PC ownership report
is quoted by more than one site on the internet.

I found PC ownership analyses for other countries by using the string [PC
ownership world wide staticistics] and variants in google. Ireland, for
example, has similar numbers to those of the USA ( see
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/pcnet [...] ty2002.htm .)

And then there is this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4095737.stm
where you can find this
"The number of personal computers worldwide is expected to double by 2010 to
1.3 billion machines, according to a report by analysts Forrester Research.
The growth will be driven by emerging markets such as China, Russia and
India, the report predicted.
More than a third of all new PCs will be in these markets, with China adding
178 million new PCs by 2010, it said. "

"Pat" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >
>> According to 'mxsmanic' "...there is a big wide world out there beyond
>> the geeks, and almost no part of it is interested in computers, in any
>> form."
>>
>>
>> Phil Weldon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Right, I can't tell you how frustrated I've become with my parents. My mom
> just recently bought a digital camara. She was in town visiting my family,
> and took a bunch of pictures. So I told her to send them to me. So she
> went to Walmart and had them printed and sent me the prints in the mail!
> What I really wanted was for her to email them to me so I could put them
> in my digital pictures archive. Well, its a step ahead anyway. At least
> she's moved on from film, and she owns a computer. (Granted, its a
> gateway)
>
> She did the same thing with the old 8 mm reels from when I was a baby. She
> paid pretty decent money to have them converted from 8mm to VHS. So, now
> I'm stuck converting it from VHS to DVD so that in 20 years my kids will
> still be able to enjoy them!
>
> Back to the statistics, I'd really like to see those stats broken down
> into age groups. I personnally don't know anyone in my bracket (20-30)
> that doesn't have at least 1 computer in the house. And of them, probably
> 80-90 % use high speed internet.
>
> But my mom's age bracket (50-60) is probably a much smaller number.
>
> Pat
>
>
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> But my mom's age bracket (50-60) is probably a much smaller number.
>
> Pat

You may be surprized at the number though. I would agree that it is smaller,
but probably not that much in that age bracket. The folks in the 50-60 age
bracket grew up during the information explosion. During the early to mid
70s is when the phrases like "you have to learn computers to succeed" etc.
came about. This was long before the PC came along. When I started college
as an accouting major, the dean of students told me that I should dual major
in computer science because I would really need it. I had worked for a data
systems company before college and when I told them I was going to dual
major and take the computer sciences they readily gave me a leave of absence
so that I would not lose the two years I had with the company before
college. They also kept me on so that I could have some work to help with
the finances. I ended up back with them after graduation three years later.
(Even though I was on the GI Bill, they picked up the entire tuition tab
too). I would make a guess that about half the folks that have been posting
here over the last 10 or more years are also in the over-50 group. Although
I don't remember them telling their ages, Phil W. and David M. come to
mind........:-). It isn't because they sound old, but the amount of
knowledge they have takes a long time to acrue.

Ed
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In article <5onle.8354$uR4.1154@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Phil
Weldon <notdiscosed@example.com> writes
>The MetaFacts, Inc. report is broken down into groups at
> http://www.metafactsusa.com/pages/ [...] 04_d07.htm .
>
>I haven't seen MetaFacts analysis before, but their USA PC ownership report
>is quoted by more than one site on the internet.
>
>I found PC ownership analyses for other countries by using the string [PC
>ownership world wide staticistics] and variants in google. Ireland, for
>example, has similar numbers to those of the USA ( see
>http://www.cso.ie/statistics/pcnetaccessbyprovcountycity2002.htm .)
>
>And then there is this
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4095737.stm
>where you can find this
>"The number of personal computers worldwide is expected to double by 2010 to
>1.3 billion machines, according to a report by analysts Forrester Research.
>The growth will be driven by emerging markets such as China, Russia and
>India, the report predicted.
>More than a third of all new PCs will be in these markets, with China adding
>178 million new PCs by 2010, it said. "
>
How much power will be needed to run that lot?
--
Roger Hunt

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'Roger Hunt' wrote "How much power will be needed to run that lot?"

The output of several hundred nuclear power plants, more depending on how
many are overclocked B^)

Phil Weldon

<x@carewg.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <5onle.8354$uR4.1154@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Phil
> Weldon <notdiscosed@example.com> writes
>>The MetaFacts, Inc. report is broken down into groups at
>> http://www.metafactsusa.com/pages/ [...] 04_d07.htm .
>>
>>I haven't seen MetaFacts analysis before, but their USA PC ownership
>>report
>>is quoted by more than one site on the internet.
>>
>>I found PC ownership analyses for other countries by using the string [PC
>>ownership world wide staticistics] and variants in google. Ireland, for
>>example, has similar numbers to those of the USA ( see
>>http://www.cso.ie/statistics/pcnetaccessbyprovcountycity2002.htm .)
>>
>>And then there is this
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4095737.stm
>>where you can find this
>>"The number of personal computers worldwide is expected to double by 2010
>>to
>>1.3 billion machines, according to a report by analysts Forrester
>>Research.
>>The growth will be driven by emerging markets such as China, Russia and
>>India, the report predicted.
>>More than a third of all new PCs will be in these markets, with China
>>adding
>>178 million new PCs by 2010, it said. "
>>
> How much power will be needed to run that lot?
> --
> Roger Hunt

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In article <iDMle.9046$M36.5078@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Phil
Weldon <notdiscosed@example.com> writes
>'Roger Hunt' wrote
>"How much power will be needed to run that lot?"
>
>The output of several hundred nuclear power plants, more depending on how
>many are overclocked B^)
>
The very thought of an overclocked nuclear power plant ... oh dear ..
--
Roger Hunt

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no wonder they want rid of us all
"Roger Hunt" <x@carewg.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <iDMle.9046$M36.5078@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Phil
> Weldon <notdiscosed@example.com> writes
>>'Roger Hunt' wrote
>>"How much power will be needed to run that lot?"
>>
>>The output of several hundred nuclear power plants, more depending on how
>>many are overclocked B^)
>>
> The very thought of an overclocked nuclear power plant ... oh dear ..
> --
> Roger Hunt

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Veritech wrote:

> no wonder they want

I always did place more stock in 'them' vs what 'they' want.

> rid of us all

Speak for yourself, paleface.

> "Roger Hunt" <x@carewg.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0Ibb2jARl5lCFwsl@carewg.demon.co.uk...
>
>>In article <iDMle.9046$M36.5078@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Phil
>>Weldon <notdiscosed@example.com> writes
>>
>>>'Roger Hunt' wrote
>>>"How much power will be needed to run that lot?"
>>>
>>>The output of several hundred nuclear power plants, more depending on how
>>>many are overclocked B^)
>>>
>>
>>The very thought of an overclocked nuclear power plant ... oh dear ..
>>--
>>Roger Hunt
>
>
>

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In article <119for0m3h7c20b@corp.supernews.com>, David Maynard
<nospam@private.net> writes
>Veritech wrote:
>
>> no wonder they want
>
>I always did place more stock in 'them' vs what 'they' want.
>
>> rid of us all
>
>Speak for yourself, paleface.
>
I'm replying here, just to make things really confusing. :-)
>> "Roger Hunt" <x@carewg.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:0Ibb2jARl5lCFwsl@carewg.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>>In article <iDMle.9046$M36.5078@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Phil
>>>Weldon <notdiscosed@example.com> writes
>>>
>>>>'Roger Hunt' wrote
>>>>"How much power will be needed to run that lot?"
>>>>
>>>>The output of several hundred nuclear power plants, more depending on how
>>>>many are overclocked B^)
>>>>
>>>
>>>The very thought of an overclocked nuclear power plant ... oh dear ..
>>>--
>>>Roger Hunt
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Roger Hunt