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I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is the cause
of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is normal for this type
of system - which is more like a laptop than a desktop, as the motherboard
and cards are built in behind the TFT screen and the hardrive is built into
it's base.

According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on this
software's reading?

I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain temp to
prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that this is
happening?

All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3 times
in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look into the
possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me with a stable
system.

Thanks in advance

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Nel wrote:
> I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is
> the cause of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is
> normal for this type of system - which is more like a laptop than a
> desktop, as the motherboard and cards are built in behind the TFT
> screen and the hardrive is built into it's base.
>
> According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
> conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on
> this software's reading?
>
> I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain
> temp to prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that
> this is happening?
>
> All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3
> times in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look
> into the possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me
> with a stable system.
>
> Thanks in advance

I've looked at this and are you /sure/ you're not confusing F with C?! You
see, according to Intel, the MOT (Maximum Operating Temperature) is 69°C
(156°F). If you really *DO* mean Celsius, then the CPU should have burnt up
the second you switched it on (or powered off if the safety cut out was
enabled). 113°C is 235°F!! I'm extremely surprised your computer is even
functioning! If you are confused then you're OK as 113°F is only 45°C, which
is absolutely fine.

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Nel wrote:
> I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is
> the cause of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is
> normal for this type of system - which is more like a laptop than a
> desktop, as the motherboard and cards are built in behind the TFT
> screen and the hardrive is built into it's base.
>
> According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
> conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on
> this software's reading?
>
> I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain
> temp to prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that
> this is happening?
>
> All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3
> times in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look
> into the possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me
> with a stable system.
>
> Thanks in advance

I noticed that you're also posting to an overclocking group - are you?

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> Nel wrote:
> > I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is
> > the cause of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is
> > normal for this type of system - which is more like a laptop than a
> > desktop, as the motherboard and cards are built in behind the TFT
> > screen and the hardrive is built into it's base.
> >
> > According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
> > conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on
> > this software's reading?
> >
> > I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain
> > temp to prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that
> > this is happening?
> >
> > All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3
> > times in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look
> > into the possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me
> > with a stable system.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> I've looked at this and are you /sure/ you're not confusing F with C?! You
> see, according to Intel, the MOT (Maximum Operating Temperature) is 69°C
> (156°F). If you really *DO* mean Celsius, then the CPU should have burnt
up
> the second you switched it on (or powered off if the safety cut out was
> enabled). 113°C is 235°F!! I'm extremely surprised your computer is even
> functioning! If you are confused then you're OK as 113°F is only 45°C,
which
> is absolutely fine.


According to SiSoft, it is now at 106.0 'C, 222.8'F (There's also "td" after
the temps - I've no idea what that stands for!)

10 minutes now and no crash!! Hurrah!!!

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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" <misstick@lancre.dw> wrote in message
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> Nel wrote:
> > I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is
> > the cause of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is
> > normal for this type of system - which is more like a laptop than a
> > desktop, as the motherboard and cards are built in behind the TFT
> > screen and the hardrive is built into it's base.
> >
> > According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
> > conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on
> > this software's reading?
> >
> > I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain
> > temp to prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that
> > this is happening?
> >
> > All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3
> > times in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look
> > into the possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me
> > with a stable system.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> I noticed that you're also posting to an overclocking group - are you?
>

No, I just thought the experienced overclockers out there might have more
experience with temperatures.

Thing is, I've built PC's in the past and had no problems whatsoever. I
just felt like getting away from beige boxes and splashing out on this fancy
looking piece of kit (it DOES look nice!), and getting an extended warranty
so that I didn't have to worry about taking it to bits. What a mistake!!

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Try installing MotherBoard Monitor and checking the temperature readings.
MotherBoard Monitor 5.3.7 is available from http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ . A
REAL reading of 106 degrees is probably impossible with a Pentium 4; the CPU
would have ceased operation before that high a temperature was reached;
first it would have throttled down and then errors would have locked up the
system.

--
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replace "mindjump" with "mindspring."
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"Nel" <nelftm@breathe.com> wrote in message
news:2mt521FpunhbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is the
cause
> of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is normal for this
type
> of system - which is more like a laptop than a desktop, as the motherboard
> and cards are built in behind the TFT screen and the hardrive is built
into
> it's base.
>
> According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
> conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on this
> software's reading?
>
> I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain temp to
> prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that this is
> happening?
>
> All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3 times
> in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look into the
> possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me with a stable
> system.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>

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The maximum temp while under load for that CPU should be around 50C. (100C
is the boiling point of water!)

--
DaveW



"Nel" <nelftm@breathe.com> wrote in message
news:2mt521FpunhbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is the
cause
> of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is normal for this
type
> of system - which is more like a laptop than a desktop, as the motherboard
> and cards are built in behind the TFT screen and the hardrive is built
into
> it's base.
>
> According to Sisoft Sandra, the CPU runs at 108-113'C during normal
> conditions an the top of the unit is hot to the touch. Can I rely on this
> software's reading?
>
> I've also heard that a P4 powers down when it reaches are certain temp to
> prevent burn out - is there any software that can prove that this is
> happening?
>
> All help will be appreciated as this system has been in for repair 3 times
> in 6 months and I'm thoroughly sick of it, and I want to look into the
> possibility of getting a refund if they cannot supply me with a stable
> system.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>

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"Nel" <nelftm@breathe.com> wrote in message
news:2mt521FpunhbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is the
cause
> of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is normal for this
type
> of system -

So its OEM?

If it is, take it back! Demand a replacement if its locking up. You paid a
price premium for support, so you might as well use it.

hamman

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:36:08 +0000, Phil Weldon wrote:

> Try installing MotherBoard Monitor and checking the temperature readings.
> MotherBoard Monitor 5.3.7 is available from http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ . A
> REAL reading of 106 degrees is probably impossible with a Pentium 4; the CPU
> would have ceased operation before that high a temperature was reached;
> first it would have throttled down and then errors would have locked up the
> system.

Also try rebooting and checking the temperature in the BIOS. I'm guessing
that Sisoft Sandra is using the wrong normalization factor for your
board.

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"General Schvantzkoph" <schvantzkoph@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsan.2004.07.29.21.52.17.941140@yahoo.com...
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:36:08 +0000, Phil Weldon wrote:
>
> > Try installing MotherBoard Monitor and checking the temperature
readings.
> > MotherBoard Monitor 5.3.7 is available from http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
.. A
> > REAL reading of 106 degrees is probably impossible with a Pentium 4; the
CPU
> > would have ceased operation before that high a temperature was reached;
> > first it would have throttled down and then errors would have locked up
the
> > system.
>
> Also try rebooting and checking the temperature in the BIOS. I'm guessing
> that Sisoft Sandra is using the wrong normalization factor for your
> board.

I would if I could! The BIOS is the most basic I have ever come across
(Something called INSYDE?) The only options are Boot sequence, Hyperthread
enable/disable and about 2 or 3 other insignificant options that escape me
at the moment.

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"Hamman" <none@example.com> wrote in message
news:rMidnZjX5tQw8pTcRVn-qA@eclipse.net.uk...
>
> "Nel" <nelftm@breathe.com> wrote in message
> news:2mt521FpunhbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is the
> cause
> > of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is normal for this
> type
> > of system -
>
> So its OEM?
>
> If it is, take it back! Demand a replacement if its locking up. You paid a
> price premium for support, so you might as well use it.

I'm trying to gather as much ammunition as I can before I go all guns
blazing at them!

It may well be something as simple as Sisoft giving wrong info, combined
with a duff factory software image (I've restored the factory default DVD a
few times now). Although I think my original diagnosis of a hot CPU (maybe
not as hot as is being reported) is more likely.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:08:33 +0100, Nel wrote:

>
> "General Schvantzkoph" <schvantzkoph@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2004.07.29.21.52.17.941140@yahoo.com...
>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:36:08 +0000, Phil Weldon wrote:
>>
>> > Try installing MotherBoard Monitor and checking the temperature
> readings.
>> > MotherBoard Monitor 5.3.7 is available from http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
> . A
>> > REAL reading of 106 degrees is probably impossible with a Pentium 4; the
> CPU
>> > would have ceased operation before that high a temperature was reached;
>> > first it would have throttled down and then errors would have locked up
> the
>> > system.
>>
>> Also try rebooting and checking the temperature in the BIOS. I'm guessing
>> that Sisoft Sandra is using the wrong normalization factor for your
>> board.
>
> I would if I could! The BIOS is the most basic I have ever come across
> (Something called INSYDE?) The only options are Boot sequence, Hyperthread
> enable/disable and about 2 or 3 other insignificant options that escape me
> at the moment.

Yikes, which motherboard do you have?

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> > "General Schvantzkoph" <schvantzkoph@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > newsan.2004.07.29.21.52.17.941140@yahoo.com...
> >> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:36:08 +0000, Phil Weldon wrote:
> >>
> >> > Try installing MotherBoard Monitor and checking the temperature
> > readings.
> >> > MotherBoard Monitor 5.3.7 is available from
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
> > . A
> >> > REAL reading of 106 degrees is probably impossible with a Pentium 4;
the
> > CPU
> >> > would have ceased operation before that high a temperature was
reached;
> >> > first it would have throttled down and then errors would have locked
up
> > the
> >> > system.
> >>
> >> Also try rebooting and checking the temperature in the BIOS. I'm
guessing
> >> that Sisoft Sandra is using the wrong normalization factor for your
> >> board.
> >
> > I would if I could! The BIOS is the most basic I have ever come across
> > (Something called INSYDE?) The only options are Boot sequence,
Hyperthread
> > enable/disable and about 2 or 3 other insignificant options that escape
me
> > at the moment.
>
> Yikes, which motherboard do you have?

Again, according to SiSoft:

Manufacturer MTC
Model CHAIN-INTEL BDG

Whatever that means!

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"Nel" <nelftm@breathe.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Hamman" <none@example.com> wrote in message
> news:rMidnZjX5tQw8pTcRVn-qA@eclipse.net.uk...
> >
> > "Nel" <nelftm@breathe.com> wrote in message
> > news:2mt521FpunhbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > I'm certain that my CPU (P4 3.06gHz) is running far too hot and is the
> > cause
> > > of my unstable PC. The manufacturer claims the temp is normal for
this
> > type
> > > of system -
> >
> > So its OEM?
> >
> > If it is, take it back! Demand a replacement if its locking up. You paid
a
> > price premium for support, so you might as well use it.
>
> I'm trying to gather as much ammunition as I can before I go all guns
> blazing at them!
>
> It may well be something as simple as Sisoft giving wrong info, combined
> with a duff factory software image (I've restored the factory default DVD
a
> few times now). Although I think my original diagnosis of a hot CPU
(maybe
> not as hot as is being reported) is more likely.

As Phil said, download MBM, and read up on the help file for configuring the
sensors. I've used Speedfan and several others for tempurature monitoring,
and it always picked the wrong sensor to use, giving me readings from -70º C
to over 100º C, both obviously wrong.

MC