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Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.

The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start.

I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external
hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0
errors.

My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533
FSB,
I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.

The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal
mode
the lock up always happens at start up.

There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to
put a fresh install
of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all
PCI cards and it
still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in.

May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes
???

Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.

BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this
bug is only on
win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.

Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:00:03 +0100, "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@hushmail.com>
wrote:

>X-No-Archive: yes
>
>Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
>
>The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start.
>
>I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external
>hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0
>errors.
>
>My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533
>FSB,
>I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
>
>The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal
>mode
>the lock up always happens at start up.
>
>There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to
>put a fresh install
>of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all
>PCI cards and it
>still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in.
>
>May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes
>???
>
>Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.
>
>BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this
>bug is only on
>win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.
>
>Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??


How much main memory do you have installed on this system?
More than 512MB, perhaps?

/daytripper (wait for it ;-)

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> >
> >Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??
>
>
> How much main memory do you have installed on this system?
> More than 512MB, perhaps?
>

No, 512MB.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:00:03 +0100, "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@hushmail.com>
wrote:

>X-No-Archive: yes
>
>Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
>
>The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start.


EXACTLY when does it lock up? Precision here might be critical.
Does it make it to the desktop?
Have you tried creating a bootlog (F8 menu selection after the POST
screen).


>I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external
>hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0
>errors.


>My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533
>FSB,
>I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.

.... so it's overclocked. First thing to do is obvious enough,
UN-overclock it. Reduce the FSB speed to spec for the motherboard, that
is, 100MHz, and see if it still crashes. Nevermind that the CPU will be
underclocked for the moment, we need to establish whether the FSB o'c is
an issue. Performance may be relatively poor with the underclocked memory
bus anyway, you might consider a newer motherboard & memory.

>The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal
>mode
>the lock up always happens at start up.

You can also use the Win98SE boot menu to selectively load certain
drivers, or Device Manager to temporarily disable some devices, and/or
pull cards out temporarily.


>There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to
>put a fresh install
>of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all
>PCI cards and it
>still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in.

>May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes
>???

Never heard of that happening before, seems unlikely.

>Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.
>
>BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this
>bug is only on
>win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.

Well there's a KB article and patch for SE but in my experience that
doesn't generally lock a system on boot, but if it did that (as well as
many problems) should show up in the bootlog.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=243199

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You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or the
systems freezes/crashes.

--
DaveW



"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:c66jsq$82rod$1@ID-9141.news.uni-berlin.de...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
>
> The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
start.
>
> I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
external
> hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0
> errors.
>
> My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the
533
> FSB,
> I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
>
> The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
normal
> mode
> the lock up always happens at start up.
>
> There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as
to
> put a fresh install
> of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed
all
> PCI cards and it
> still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back
in.
>
> May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and
crashes
> ???
>
> Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.
>
> BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this
> bug is only on
> win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.
>
> Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??
>
>

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That is incorrect. 9X only requires an entry in the vcache section of
system.ini to limit vcache to no more than 512.

"DaveW" <none@zero.org> wrote in message news:NTChc.56$_L6.6422@attbi_s53...
> You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or
the
> systems freezes/crashes.
>
> --
> DaveW
>
>
>
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@hushmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c66jsq$82rod$1@ID-9141.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > X-No-Archive: yes
> >
> > Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
> >
> > The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
> start.
> >
> > I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
> external
> > hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0
> > errors.
> >
> > My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the
> 533
> > FSB,
> > I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
> >
> > The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
> normal
> > mode
> > the lock up always happens at start up.
> >
> > There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as
> to
> > put a fresh install
> > of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed
> all
> > PCI cards and it
> > still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back
> in.
> >
> > May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and
> crashes
> > ???
> >
> > Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.
> >
> > BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think
this
> > bug is only on
> > win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.
> >
> > Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??
> >
> >
>
>

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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
>
> The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
> start.
>
> I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
> external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for
> hours with 0 errors.
>
> My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
> the 533 FSB,
> I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
>
> The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
> normal mode
> the lock up always happens at start up.

98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
problems. See
http://support.microsoft.com/defau [...] -us;312108
I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without paying for
support, but it seems to be impossible to do. Fortunately, someone who HAS
got it out of them has been kind enough to post it on the web:
http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html

[...]

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www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more
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Michael Brown wrote:

> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>
>>Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
>>
>>The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
>>start.
>>
>>I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
>>external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for
>>hours with 0 errors.
>>
>>My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
>>the 533 FSB,
>>I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
>>
>>The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
>>normal mode
>>the lock up always happens at start up.
>
>
> 98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
> problems. See
> http://support.microsoft.com/defau [...] -us;312108
> I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without paying for
> support, but it seems to be impossible to do. Fortunately, someone who HAS
> got it out of them has been kind enough to post it on the web:
> http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html

I got "access forbidden" on that server.

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DaveW wrote:

> You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or the
> systems freezes/crashes.
>

Well, no. You limit the vcache size in system.ini and then it's fine.

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And how do you make this entry during Win9x installation?

"Pen" <pennospam34us@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XO6dnbJjdcsImxrdRVn-uQ@adelphia.com...
> That is incorrect. 9X only requires an entry in the vcache section of
> system.ini to limit vcache to no more than 512.
>
> "DaveW" <none@zero.org> wrote in message
news:NTChc.56$_L6.6422@attbi_s53...
> > You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or
> the
> > systems freezes/crashes.
> >
> > --
> > DaveW
> >
> >
> >
> > "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@hushmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:c66jsq$82rod$1@ID-9141.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > X-No-Archive: yes
> > >
> > > Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
> > >
> > > The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the
> > start.
> > >
> > > I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
> > external
> > > hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with
0
> > > errors.
> > >
> > > My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
the
> > 533
> > > FSB,
> > > I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
> > >
> > > The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into
> > normal
> > > mode
> > > the lock up always happens at start up.
> > >
> > > There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far
as
> > to
> > > put a fresh install
> > > of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive
removed
> > all
> > > PCI cards and it
> > > still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7
back
> > in.
> > >
> > > May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and
> > crashes
> > > ???
> > >
> > > Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now.
> > >
> > > BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think
> this
> > > bug is only on
> > > win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE.
> > >
> > > Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ??
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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David Maynard wrote:
> Michael Brown wrote:
>
[...]
>> 98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
>> problems. See
>> http://support.microsoft.com/defau [...] -us;312108
>> I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without
>> paying for support, but it seems to be impossible to do.
>> Fortunately, someone who HAS got it out of them has been kind enough
>> to post it on the web: http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html
>
> I got "access forbidden" on that server.

Wierd ... rechecked just now and it works fine. Another place to try is
http://home.planet.nl/~dorp0043/2002.htm#fix

--
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www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more
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Michael Brown wrote:
[...]
> 98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
> problems. See
> http://support.microsoft.com/defau [...] -us;312108

Note: It doesn't mention 98SE on this page, but it appears that SE suffers
from the same problem:
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread/t-17663.html
Looks like pulling NDIS.VXD from a WinME install (or other sources ) will
do the trick as well.

[...]
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Michael Brown wrote:

> David Maynard wrote:
>
>>Michael Brown wrote:
>>
>
> [...]
>
>>>98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow
>>>problems. See
>>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;312108
>>>I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without
>>>paying for support, but it seems to be impossible to do.
>>>Fortunately, someone who HAS got it out of them has been kind enough
>>>to post it on the web: http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html
>>
>>I got "access forbidden" on that server.
>
>
> Wierd ... rechecked just now and it works fine.

Could be a domain restriction because it's definitely coming from his server.

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /ndis_fix.html on this server.

Apache/1.3.29 Server at www.sjordan.com Port 80

I also tried just http://www.sjordan.com/ and got the same thing.

> Another place to try is
> http://home.planet.nl/~dorp0043/2002.htm#fix

Thanks. I was able to get it from there.


> --
> Michael Brown
> www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more
> Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open
>
>

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http://support.microsoft.com/defau [...] #appliesto

"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
news:E3Ehc.187272$Pk3.149210@pd7tw1no...
> And how do you make this entry during Win9x installation?
>
> "Pen" <pennospam34us@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:XO6dnbJjdcsImxrdRVn-uQ@adelphia.com...
> > That is incorrect. 9X only requires an entry in the vcache section of
> > system.ini to limit vcache to no more than 512.
> >
> > "DaveW" <none@zero.org> wrote in message
> news:NTChc.56$_L6.6422@attbi_s53...
> > > You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM
or
> > the
> > > systems freezes/crashes.
> > >
> > > --
> > > DaveW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@hushmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c66jsq$82rod$1@ID-9141.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > X-No-Archive: yes
> > > >
> > > > Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 -> P4 3.06ghz.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at
the
> > > start.
> > > >
> > > > I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an
> > > external
> > > > hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours
with
> 0
> > > > errors.
> > > >
> > > > My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support
> the
> > > 533
> > > > FSB,
> > > > I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300.
> > > >
> > > > The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go
into
> > > normal
> > > > mode
> > > > the lock up always happens at start up.
> > > >
> > > > There are no conflicts in the device