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Hi,

This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which CPU to
select for this project.
I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.

Last time I checked (Dec-2003) I heard that AMD has locked their new
families against overclocking. So, I'm afraid that the possibilities for
overclocking new chips will be not so easy.

I was wondering if there would be some overview (roadmap?) of the current
CPUs on the market their native clockspeed, their overclocking capability
and the method by which this can be achieved (BIOS settings or
modification of the chip).

If such an overview exists I haven't found it. I was looking on
overclockers.com but couldn't find any total overview.

Can someone post an appropriate URL?

Thanks,
Some One

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Hi,

>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which CPU to
>select for this project.

Price - cheap or no limit, 32 or 64 bit

>I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
>Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.

The AMD XP2500 [ Barton ] shares the same multiplier as the AMD XP3200

Abit NF7-S Revision 2 MOBO will allow you to increase the FSB from 166
to 200, this will give you an AMD XP3200 for the price of a 2500 and
no change of multiplier will be required.

It can be done on cheap as chips memory, so cheap in fact that
anything less than a gig of memory is parsimonious.

>Last time I checked (Dec-2003) I heard that AMD has locked their new
>families against overclocking. So, I'm afraid that the possibilities for
>overclocking new chips will be not so easy.

True from week 3903 [ ish ] and they can not be unlocked although the
AMD XP mobiles are much the same price and are still unlocked, need
less voltage, run cooler, and are better overclockers.

>I was wondering if there would be some overview (roadmap?) of the current
>CPUs on the market their native clockspeed, their overclocking capability
>and the method by which this can be achieved (BIOS settings or
>modification of the chip).

No idea, someone else may know !

>If such an overview exists I haven't found it. I was looking on
>overclockers.com but couldn't find any total overview.

>Can someone post an appropriate URL?

>Thanks,
>Some One

BoroLad

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which CPU to
>select for this project.
>I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
>Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.
>
>Last time I checked (Dec-2003) I heard that AMD has locked their new
>families against overclocking. So, I'm afraid that the possibilities for
>overclocking new chips will be not so easy.
>
>I was wondering if there would be some overview (roadmap?) of the current
>CPUs on the market their native clockspeed, their overclocking capability
>and the method by which this can be achieved (BIOS settings or
>modification of the chip).
>
>If such an overview exists I haven't found it. I was looking on
>overclockers.com but couldn't find any total overview.
>
>Can someone post an appropriate URL?
>
>Thanks,
>Some One


I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache overclocked to
3.6 gig on a ASUS p4P800-E Deluxe motherboard only using the
multiplication factor and equally downgrading the ram's mhz so it will
again run at 400 Mhz once multiplied... the voltage remained at 1.5 V
but could be upped to 1.55 if the system draines to much energy,..
what is not the case now.
I did not compose that myself but i've got a pc builder that I trust
;-) it runs smooth, extra fan on the proc (Coolmaster Gear) and a fan
to pull in air in the IDream case (roundabout 50 Euro's = x 1,2 in
USD) That and 2 gig ram,... and I'm a happy man.. let's say slightly
exited ;-)
Anyway,... overclocking seems simple using F8 during boot... it's all
a software thing with Asus.. the Idream case has a led digital system
that give the temperature inside... XP stability test never upped the
temperature of the proc above 45 celcium or themotherboard above 40
celcius... Asus delivers a prog named PC Probe that helps you to check
the temperature & fan monitoring etcetera...

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> I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache

LOL

some kind of fururistic processor you have with a 512mb cache...

where can i buy one? :-P

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"SomeOne" <askme@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns94C862F49AB39maumaufinder@213.51.144.36...
> Hi,
>
> This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which CPU to
> select for this project.
> I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
> Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.
>
> Last time I checked (Dec-2003) I heard that AMD has locked their new
> families against overclocking. So, I'm afraid that the possibilities for
> overclocking new chips will be not so easy.
>
> I was wondering if there would be some overview (roadmap?) of the current
> CPUs on the market their native clockspeed, their overclocking capability
> and the method by which this can be achieved (BIOS settings or
> modification of the chip).
>
> If such an overview exists I haven't found it. I was looking on
> overclockers.com but couldn't find any total overview.
>
> Can someone post an appropriate URL?
>
> Thanks,
> Some One

At this point in time, i would go for one of the newer socket AMD64 chips
with an nForce3 Motherboard. Should be futureproof for WinXP-64A when its
released later this year.
Dont get the FX-51 or FX-53, theyre not worth £500

hamman

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:08:56 +0000 (UTC), "Alan"
<agoodm@removebtopenworld.com> wrote:

>> I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache
>
>LOL
>
>some kind of fururistic processor you have with a 512mb cache...
>
>where can i buy one? :-P
>

Hèhè.. perhaps wishfull thinking... come ans see the nexr decade..
pentium X with half a gig cache... untill now, well stick to meg...

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"Hamman" <imadumbass@pielover.com> wrote in message
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" At this point in time, i would go for one of the newer socket AMD64
chips... "


AMD sneaked out the Athlon64 2800+ recently. Socket 754 will currently
allow upgrades to an Athlon 64 3400+, given that the next releases look like
being on a different socket.

Athlon 64 2800+ story:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/ [...] ut_athlon/

Brief AMD Roadmap story:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/ [...] n_64_fx53/

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www.overclockers.com
--
Tally Ho!
Ed,
Maryland, USA
"SomeOne" <askme@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns94C862F49AB39maumaufinder@213.51.144.36...
> Hi,
>
> This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which CPU to
> select for this project.
> I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
> Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.
>
> Last time I checked (Dec-2003) I heard that AMD has locked their new
> families against overclocking. So, I'm afraid that the possibilities for
> overclocking new chips will be not so easy.
>
> I was wondering if there would be some overview (roadmap?) of the current
> CPUs on the market their native clockspeed, their overclocking capability
> and the method by which this can be achieved (BIOS settings or
> modification of the chip).
>
> If such an overview exists I haven't found it. I was looking on
> overclockers.com but couldn't find any total overview.
>
> Can someone post an appropriate URL?
>
> Thanks,
> Some One

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> I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache overclocked to
> 3.6 gig on a ASUS p4P800-E Deluxe motherboard only using the
> multiplication factor

you have an unlocked engineering sample?

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nondisputandum.com - indisputably nondisputandum wrote in
news:nhqi70trbn5fg2cqos9n5n7t49vmlcao3g@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which
>>CPU to select for this project.

> I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache overclocked
> to 3.6 gig on a ASUS p4P800-E Deluxe motherboard only using the

I was under the impression that Pentium's can't be overclocked as they are
locked.

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wrote in news:i98i705rq0v11o5ho5qodn315brtsc0fvg@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which
>>CPU to select for this project.
>
> Price - cheap or no limit, 32 or 64 bit

below $200

>
>>I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
>>Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.
>
> The AMD XP2500 [ Barton ] shares the same multiplier as the AMD
> XP3200
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

> Abit NF7-S Revision 2 MOBO will allow you to increase the FSB from
> 166 to 200, this will give you an AMD XP3200 for the price of a 2500
> and no change of multiplier will be required.
Yes, I like that Mobo very much.

>
> True from week 3903 [ ish ] and they can not be unlocked although the
> AMD XP mobiles are much the same price and are still unlocked, need
> less voltage, run cooler, and are better overclockers.

AMD XP mobiles? What's that then?

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:29:56 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> wrote in news:i98i705rq0v11o5ho5qodn315brtsc0fvg@4ax.com:

>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:

>>>Hi,

>>>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which
>>>CPU to select for this project.

>> Price - cheap or no limit, 32 or 64 bit

>below $200

Got to be an AMD then, personally I'd get AMD if I was on no limit.

>>>I would like to use a CPU (AMD or Intel) with a clockspeed >2.5GHz.
>>>Also I'd like to be able to significantly overclock the CPU.

>> The AMD XP2500 [ Barton ] shares the same multiplier as the AMD
>> XP3200

>I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

It means that providing you buy an Abit NF7-S v2.0 and an AMDXP2500
Barton you will get at least an AMDXP3200 equivalent, you simply raise
the FSB to 200x2=400. It's not clever a 10 year old could do it!

The difference here in the UK between a 2500 Barton and a 3200 Barton
is 250%

>> Abit NF7-S Revision 2 MOBO will allow you to increase the FSB from
>> 166 to 200, this will give you an AMD XP3200 for the price of a 2500
>> and no change of multiplier will be required.

Make sure it's the MCP-T chipped revision 2 version to get the
- Soundstorm 5.1 audio
- dual 400MHz DDR memory controllers
- full 400FSB support

I listed these to make sure you see the difference between the NF7-S
and the NF7-S v2.0 Ultra - totally different boards.

>Yes, I like that Mobo very much.

There are other brands, but the Abit is a leader among equals.

Hope this helps your understanding, BoroLad

>> True from week 3903 [ ish ] and they can not be unlocked although the
>> AMD Athlon XP Mobiles are much the same price and are still unlocked,
>> need less voltage, run cooler, and are better overclockers.

>AMD XP Athlon Mobiles? What's that then?

N.B
Abit NF7-S v2.0 nForce2 - look for (MB-028-AB)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Abit.html
Abit NF7-S v2.0 - look for (CP-039-AM)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acat [...] arton.html
AMD Athlon Mobile XP
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acat [...] bile_.html

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Intel CPU's are multipler locked, and are overclocked by raising the
frontside bus frequency. As much as a 50% overclock is quite common until
the limit of the series is reached. For example a Pentium 4 1.6A at 2.4
GHz, a Pentium 2.4C at ~ 3.4 GHz, etc, using pretty well stock cooling.

--
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For communication,
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"SomeOne" <askme@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> nondisputandum.com - indisputably nondisputandum wrote in
> news:nhqi70trbn5fg2cqos9n5n7t49vmlcao3g@4ax.com:
>
> > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which
> >>CPU to select for this project.
>
> > I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache overclocked
> > to 3.6 gig on a ASUS p4P800-E Deluxe motherboard only using the
>
> I was under the impression that Pentium's can't be overclocked as they are
> locked.

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just out of interest, Phil - do you have any theories as to *why* the choice
intel offerings are so overclockable? over the years i've had a celeron
300a, a cel333, a cumine 566 and 600, a P3 700, a tualatin celeron 1.0a, and
now a P4 2.4 - and all of these, as you pointed out, have been (at least)
capable of running 50% beyond spec with stock cooling and minimal (in some
cases no) voltage tweak.... and i have often wondered why they were able to
perform at such speeds and with such consistent stability. is there some
benchmarking, d'you think, that we just don't know about?

i know the whole price point and demand theory, that allegedly decides what
wafers get earmarked for what badges ... but this has never seemed entirely
logical to me. hm ...



"Phil Weldon" <notdisclosed@example.com> wrote in message
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> Intel CPU's are multipler locked, and are overclocked by raising the
> frontside bus frequency. As much as a 50% overclock is quite common until
> the limit of the series is reached. For example a Pentium 4 1.6A at 2.4
> GHz, a Pentium 2.4C at ~ 3.4 GHz, etc, using pretty well stock cooling.
>
> --
> Phil Weldon, pweldonatmindjumpdotcom
> For communication,
> replace "at" with the 'at sign'
> replace "mindjump" with "mindspring."
> replace "dot" with "."
>
>
> "SomeOne" <askme@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Xns94C96A098317Cmaumaufinder@213.51.144.36...
> > nondisputandum.com - indisputably nondisputandum wrote in
> > news:nhqi70trbn5fg2cqos9n5n7t49vmlcao3g@4ax.com:
> >
> > > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC), SomeOne <askme@yahoo.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi,
> > >>
> > >>This summer I want to start building a new PC. I am wondering which
> > >>CPU to select for this project.
> >
> > > I''ve a 3.0 gig pentium 4 800 FSB with half a gig cache overclocked
> > > to 3.6 gig on a ASUS p4P800-E Deluxe motherboard only using the
> >
> > I was under the impression that Pentium's can't be overclocked as they
are
> > locked.
>
>

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All the CPU dies are made by the same process. As production goes along,
the yield improves. The process has to be good enough to produce the
highest speed CPU's to be sold, so eventually all the CPU's are capable of
the highest speed, save for the locked multiplier. In addition, to
guarantee proper operation in almost all circumstances, Intel CPU's have a
lot of performance overhead built in. If your computer system offers lower
temperatures, better voltage control, higher core voltages, faster memory,
etc. you have great overclocking, limited only by the performance margin of
the fastest CPU's of that design being produced (plus some luck!)

--
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For communication,
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"atwifa" <atwifa@'fsmail'.net> wrote in message
news:mPidnZo8NvAUaOfdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk...
> just out of interest, Phil - do you have any theories as to *why* the
choice
> intel offerings are so overclockable? over the years i've had a celeron
> 300a, a cel333, a cumine 566 and 600, a P3 700, a tualatin celeron 1.0a,
and
> now a P4 2.4 - and all of these, as you pointed out, have been (at least)
> capable of running 50% beyond spec with stock cooling and minimal (in some
> cases no) voltage tweak.... and i have often wondered why they were able
to
> perform at such speeds and with such consistent stability. is there some
> benchmarking, d'you think, that we just don't know about?
>
> i know the whole price point and demand theory, that allegedly decides
what
> wafers get earmarked for what badges ... but this has never seemed
entirely
> logical to me. hm ...
>
>
>
> "Phil Wel