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hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait before
going 64? many thanks in advance...

ztex, joe-z, fuison2, gunner, etc, etc...

linkage please...

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Joe_Z wrote:
> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
>
> ztex, joe-z, fuison2, gunner, etc, etc...
>
> linkage please...

Check out the new Athlon 64 bit 90nm processors, for socket 939.
They are offering them in 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+. The first two being
pretty reasonable I think.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249

If I were upgrading today, I would get a 939 mb and one of the above 90nm
processors.

My 32 bit system still has some spunk left in it, so I may wait till early
05 to make the change.






--
Don Burnette

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i've got tons of 32bit hardware, nforce chipset boards out the yaya, what's
the deal at this time? i'm thinking AMD might rase prices as these 32bit
cpu's become sold out...

i'm looking at best bang for my buck on 64bit... thank again...

"Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:vo6dnfTX3LRaS-vcRVn-sQ@giganews.com...
> Joe_Z wrote:
> > hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
> > before going 64? many thanks in advance...
> >
> > ztex, joe-z, fuison2, gunner, etc, etc...
> >
> > linkage please...
>
> Check out the new Athlon 64 bit 90nm processors, for socket 939.
> They are offering them in 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+. The first two being
> pretty reasonable I think.
>
> http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249
>
> If I were upgrading today, I would get a 939 mb and one of the above 90nm
> processors.
>
> My 32 bit system still has some spunk left in it, so I may wait till early
> 05 to make the change.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Don Burnette
>
>
>

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> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait before
> going 64? many thanks in advance...

The end of 32-bits? It's been over four years since AMD released the
3200+, and they've let the 32-bit line sit since then. In fact, they've
been trimming down the 32-bit line slowly but surely. It's a matter of
when, and signs don't point to it being very far away.

That being said, you don't necessarily need to ignore the 32-bit line.
You can get some very nicely-performing chips at a good price. I bought one
for myself a few months ago, and I'm still buying them for office machines.
It all depends on just where your wants, needs, and budget intersect.

steve

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For most businesses in general a low cost work station is a pIII 700Mhz to
1000Mhz with SDRAM on a integrated motherboard. The software that is used
is in most workstations excluding CAD stations is generally two years to
three years old with Windows 2000 or Win XP (no SP2) OS. AMD business work
stations that I have seen consist of a 1700+ to 1800+ processor with 256 MB
of DDR 2100 on an integrated MB. There are a lot of businesses right now
that are holding computer cost to a minimum buying used parts or computers
because there software will run on the machine.

What I see right now is the engineering used on computer hardware has
advanced at an accelerated pace and software engineering has lagged behind
due to customer demands. AMD could be cutting there own neck by pushing
AMD64 Technology, as long as sales remain high as well as the price it will
be good for AMD. The market for the AMD64 has not yet been saturated. Once
the high end consumers complete there buying and AMD no longer has XP
versions available the price will have to be lowered and assuming Intel
knows this they could lower the price on there P4's forcing additional
pressure on AMD's pricing before the release of there new generation of
Intel processors, which they have put on hold for now.

I believe that until there is a need via software or server integration
there will still be allot of pIII in workstations around the country. Top
level management and engineering will always have the latest and greatest
systems but the majority of workstations go to the general worker who has
limited need for a AMD64 system or for a P4 system. (MS office 2002, a few
in house programs, possibly some type of older CAD programs) The same could
be said for the general house hold internet user, excluding gamers. Most
house holds have a low end P4 system or AMD XP system running windows 98 or
XP.

Just wait a year and pricing on the AMD64's will drop much more as the high
end market becomes saturated, the XP's become hard to find, and Intel
decides to release it's new processor technology. I believe that it would
be in the best interest of AMD to continue there line of high end and mobil
XP processors until Intel releases there next generation of processors and
AMD should continue to develop their server line of processors such as the
dual core technology. The game is not just pricing or technology but that
of a mind set. The pIII will have to be replaced in the next year or two
due to the availability of replacement parts and the AMD XP systems would be
a excellent price value replacement and the AMD will capture the mind set of
many potential workstation buyers, which is currently held by Intel.

"Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:vo6dnfTX3LRaS-vcRVn-sQ@giganews.com...
> Joe_Z wrote:
>> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
>> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
>>
>> ztex, joe-z, fuison2, gunner, etc, etc...
>>
>> linkage please...
>
> Check out the new Athlon 64 bit 90nm processors, for socket 939.
> They are offering them in 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+. The first two being
> pretty reasonable I think.
>
> http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249
>
> If I were upgrading today, I would get a 939 mb and one of the above 90nm
> processors.
>
> My 32 bit system still has some spunk left in it, so I may wait till early
> 05 to make the change.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Don Burnette
>
>
>

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:14:18 -0600, Steve Wolfe wrote:

>> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
>> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
>
> The end of 32-bits? It's been over four years since AMD released the
> 3200+, and they've let the 32-bit line sit since then.

The Athlon XP was introduced About 3 years ago, and the 3200+ XP was only
introduced a little more than a year ago, not anywhere close to over 4
years ago, Just over 1 year (unless you equate a year to 3 months).:-)

> In fact, they've been trimming down the 32-bit line slowly but surely.
> It's a matter of when, and signs don't point to it being very far away.
>
I think they'll follow the marketplace with this. After all, the just
released Sempron 3100+ for socket 754 is only 32bit, and there's plans to
go higher with 32bit CPU's for socket 754. I see 32bit being here for some
time to come. A least 2 more years. But I guess you could say that that's
not too far away.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

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many thanks Rusty, very tech of you...

"Rusty" <rlsmith004@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:yYTdd.8376$Lk3.4967@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> For most businesses in general a low cost work station is a pIII 700Mhz to
> 1000Mhz with SDRAM on a integrated motherboard. The software that is used
> is in most workstations excluding CAD stations is generally two years to
> three years old with Windows 2000 or Win XP (no SP2) OS. AMD business
work
> stations that I have seen consist of a 1700+ to 1800+ processor with 256
MB
> of DDR 2100 on an integrated MB. There are a lot of businesses right now
> that are holding computer cost to a minimum buying used parts or computers
> because there software will run on the machine.
>
> What I see right now is the engineering used on computer hardware has
> advanced at an accelerated pace and software engineering has lagged behind
> due to customer demands. AMD could be cutting there own neck by pushing
> AMD64 Technology, as long as sales remain high as well as the price it
will
> be good for AMD. The market for the AMD64 has not yet been saturated.
Once
> the high end consumers complete there buying and AMD no longer has XP
> versions available the price will have to be lowered and assuming Intel
> knows this they could lower the price on there P4's forcing additional
> pressure on AMD's pricing before the release of there new generation of
> Intel processors, which they have put on hold for now.
>
> I believe that until there is a need via software or server integration
> there will still be allot of pIII in workstations around the country. Top
> level management and engineering will always have the latest and greatest
> systems but the majority of workstations go to the general worker who has
> limited need for a AMD64 system or for a P4 system. (MS office 2002, a
few
> in house programs, possibly some type of older CAD programs) The same
could
> be said for the general house hold internet user, excluding gamers. Most
> house holds have a low end P4 system or AMD XP system running windows 98
or
> XP.
>
> Just wait a year and pricing on the AMD64's will drop much more as the
high
> end market becomes saturated, the XP's become hard to find, and Intel
> decides to release it's new processor technology. I believe that it would
> be in the best interest of AMD to continue there line of high end and
mobil
> XP processors until Intel releases there next generation of processors and
> AMD should continue to develop their server line of processors such as the
> dual core technology. The game is not just pricing or technology but that
> of a mind set. The pIII will have to be replaced in the next year or two
> due to the availability of replacement parts and the AMD XP systems would
be
> a excellent price value replacement and the AMD will capture the mind set
of
> many potential workstation buyers, which is currently held by Intel.
>
> "Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:vo6dnfTX3LRaS-vcRVn-sQ@giganews.com...
> > Joe_Z wrote:
> >> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
> >> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
> >>
> >> ztex, joe-z, fuison2, gunner, etc, etc...
> >>
> >> linkage please...
> >
> > Check out the new Athlon 64 bit 90nm processors, for socket 939.
> > They are offering them in 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+. The first two being
> > pretty reasonable I think.
> >
> > http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249
> >
> > If I were upgrading today, I would get a 939 mb and one of the above
90nm
> > processors.
> >
> > My 32 bit system still has some spunk left in it, so I may wait till
early
> > 05 to make the change.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Don Burnette
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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thanks Wes, you've been here for a few years now i expect, i tech posted
here 5 years ago during the slot a and duron erea, different handle now, i
know what goes here, keep up the good work, your an asset where many techs
gave up because of all the trols that spin through here, it may look like
that from my post, but look closely... peace...

"Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
newsan.2004.10.21.22.00.33.39162@TAKEOUTverizon.net...
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:14:18 -0600, Steve Wolfe wrote:
>
> >> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
> >> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
> >
> > The end of 32-bits? It's been over four years since AMD released the
> > 3200+, and they've let the 32-bit line sit since then.
>
> The Athlon XP was introduced About 3 years ago, and the 3200+ XP was only
> introduced a little more than a year ago, not anywhere close to over 4
> years ago, Just over 1 year (unless you equate a year to 3 months).:-)
>
> > In fact, they've been trimming down the 32-bit line slowly but surely.
> > It's a matter of when, and signs don't point to it being very far away.
> >
> I think they'll follow the marketplace with this. After all, the just
> released Sempron 3100+ for socket 754 is only 32bit, and there's plans to
> go higher with 32bit CPU's for socket 754. I see 32bit being here for some
> time to come. A least 2 more years. But I guess you could say that that's
> not too far away.
>
> --
> Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

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> >> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
> >> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
> >
> > The end of 32-bits? It's been over four years since AMD released the
> > 3200+, and they've let the 32-bit line sit since then.
>
> The Athlon XP was introduced About 3 years ago, and the 3200+ XP was only
> introduced a little more than a year ago, not anywhere close to over 4
> years ago, Just over 1 year (unless you equate a year to 3 months).:-)

Hmmm... it looks like I was very mistaken. I did a search on "Athlon 3200
release date", and the pages talking about the release were from 2000. I
should have done a sanity-check.


> > In fact, they've been trimming down the 32-bit line slowly but surely.
> > It's a matter of when, and signs don't point to it being very far away.
> >
> I think they'll follow the marketplace with this. After all, the just
> released Sempron 3100+ for socket 754 is only 32bit, and there's plans to
> go higher with 32bit CPU's for socket 754. I see 32bit being here for some
> time to come. A least 2 more years. But I guess you could say that that's
> not too far away.

There's no doubt they'll go where the money is - but I don't think the
money is going to be in the 32-bit line. Even though they introduces a
32-bit Sempron, they've said that the entire Athlon line is going away -
which would leave only the one 32-bit Sempron.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against 32-bitness. I just don't think
the market is going to be there to make it worth their while, and their
estimations seem to support that. : )

steve

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you'll make a good tech, hmmm, excuse, you already are...

will just have to see how screwed up MS makes lamehorns 64 os, 32 may be
viable for years imho... go lunix

"Steve Wolfe" <unt@see-signature.com> wrote in message
news:2tss7gF22kiniU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > >> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
> > >> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
> > >
> > > The end of 32-bits? It's been over four years since AMD released
the
> > > 3200+, and they've let the 32-bit line sit since then.
> >
> > The Athlon XP was introduced About 3 years ago, and the 3200+ XP was
only
> > introduced a little more than a year ago, not anywhere close to over 4
> > years ago, Just over 1 year (unless you equate a year to 3 months).:-)
>
> Hmmm... it looks like I was very mistaken. I did a search on "Athlon
3200
> release date", and the pages talking about the release were from 2000. I
> should have done a sanity-check.
>
>
> > > In fact, they've been trimming down the 32-bit line slowly but
surely.
> > > It's a matter of when, and signs don't point to it being very far
away.
> > >
> > I think they'll follow the marketplace with this. After all, the just
> > released Sempron 3100+ for socket 754 is only 32bit, and there's plans
to
> > go higher with 32bit CPU's for socket 754. I see 32bit being here for
some
> > time to come. A least 2 more years. But I guess you could say that
that's
> > not too far away.
>
> There's no doubt they'll go where the money is - but I don't think the
> money is going to be in the 32-bit line. Even though they introduces a
> 32-bit Sempron, they've said that the entire Athlon line is going away -
> which would leave only the one 32-bit Sempron.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against 32-bitness. I just don't
think
> the market is going to be there to make it worth their while, and their
> estimations seem to support that. : )
>
> steve
>
>

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Not a tech an engineer and I am sure that no one wants to know why the 64
bit design vs. 32 bit design is faster and very over priced in comparison to
the engineering of each.
All any one wants to know is it faster, what can I do to make it faster,
will it work, where can I get it cheaper.
If you owned a company and had to buy 20 computers and software for each to
run with your two year old server and the use for those computer was mainly
for typing (via forms or ms word) what would you buy?
If you were a gamer on a limited income what would you buy?
If you were a home user and needed a computer to surf the web, type, and
play a few games what would you buy?
If you are looking for a cheap system that you could volt mod and overclock
the hell out of it what would you buy?
Most people who answer these questions honestly would not say a AMD64 system
due to the cost.
A good AMD XP or P4 system will perform all the above task quite well, this
will change in the next two years, why?
Software, marketing, obselesants, system security.
A eight years ago you could post in the news groups with out worrying about
virus or people trying to steal information about you, not so now is it?

"Joe_Z" <yaya@naha.org> wrote in message
news:6d-dndeLxtJLKuXcRVn-jg@adelphia.com...
> many thanks Rusty, very tech of you...
>
> "Rusty" <rlsmith004@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:yYTdd.8376$Lk3.4967@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>> For most businesses in general a low cost work station is a pIII 700Mhz
>> to
>> 1000Mhz with SDRAM on a integrated motherboard. The software that is
>> used
>> is in most workstations excluding CAD stations is generally two years to
>> three years old with Windows 2000 or Win XP (no SP2) OS. AMD business
> work
>> stations that I have seen consist of a 1700+ to 1800+ processor with 256
> MB
>> of DDR 2100 on an integrated MB. There are a lot of businesses right now
>> that are holding computer cost to a minimum buying used parts or
>> computers
>> because there software will run on the machine.
>>
>> What I see right now is the engineering used on computer hardware has
>> advanced at an accelerated pace and software engineering has lagged
>> behind
>> due to customer demands. AMD could be cutting there own neck by pushing
>> AMD64 Technology, as long as sales remain high as well as the price it
> will
>> be good for AMD. The market for the AMD64 has not yet been saturated.
> Once
>> the high end consumers complete there buying and AMD no longer has XP
>> versions available the price will have to be lowered and assuming Intel
>> knows this they could lower the price on there P4's forcing additional
>> pressure on AMD's pricing before the release of there new generation of
>> Intel processors, which they have put on hold for now.
>>
>> I believe that until there is a need via software or server integration
>> there will still be allot of pIII in workstations around the country.
>> Top
>> level management and engineering will always have the latest and greatest
>> systems but the majority of workstations go to the general worker who has
>> limited need for a AMD64 system or for a P4 system. (MS office 2002, a
> few
>> in house programs, possibly some type of older CAD programs) The same
> could
>> be said for the general house hold internet user, excluding gamers. Most
>> house holds have a low end P4 system or AMD XP system running windows 98
> or
>> XP.
>>
>> Just wait a year and pricing on the AMD64's will drop much more as the
> high
>> end market becomes saturated, the XP's become hard to find, and Intel
>> decides to release it's new processor technology. I believe that it
>> would
>> be in the best interest of AMD to continue there line of high end and
> mobil
>> XP processors until Intel releases there next generation of processors
>> and
>> AMD should continue to develop their server line of processors such as
>> the
>> dual core technology. The game is not just pricing or technology but
>> that
>> of a mind set. The pIII will have to be replaced in the next year or two
>> due to the availability of replacement parts and the AMD XP systems would
> be
>> a excellent price value replacement and the AMD will capture the mind set
> of
>> many potential workstation buyers, which is currently held by Intel.
>>
>> "Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:vo6dnfTX3LRaS-vcRVn-sQ@giganews.com...
>> > Joe_Z wrote:
>> >> hey all, what's the buzz now at the end of 32bit and should i wait
>> >> before going 64? many thanks in advance...
>> >>
>> >> ztex, joe-z, fuison2, gunner, etc, etc...
>> >>
>> >> linkage please...
>> >
>> > Check out the new Athlon 64 bit 90nm processors, for socket 939.
>> > They are offering them in 3000+, 3200+, and 3500+. The first two being
>> > pretty reasonable I think.
>> >
>> > http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249
>> >
>> > If I were upgrading today, I would get a 939 mb and one of the above
> 90nm
>> > processors.
>> >
>> > My 32 bit system still has some spunk left in it, so I may wait till
> early
>> > 05 to make the change.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Don Burnette
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>