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Hi,

This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:

http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg

I've been able to fit the heatsink/fan assembly & it works OK with the
CPU temperature running at 46/47 degrees C (according to Speedfan).

I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:

http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762

Would this be a good idea - or has anyone got any further suggestions?

Thanks!

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
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> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg

I think that you're SOL... That board doesn't have any mounting holes for
alternative heatsink mounting.

Since the chip is so close to the edge of the board, you MIGHT be able to
rig some kind of clamp on the one side, but you'll need to be careful.

> I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
> the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>
> http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762

Thread locker won't hold anything... I don't even think that you could
superglue the broken lugs back into place and have them hold.

Something you CAN do is the following... BUT IT IS PERMANENT. Make sure you
choose a good, reliable heatsink. Get some Arctic Silver EPOXY. Clean the
CPU very very well. Apply a dab of the epoxy and press the heatsink onto the
chip. Keep them tight until the epoxy sets.

This is ADHESIVE and NOT the normal Arctic Silver compound you normally use
on a CPU... See here:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic [...] hesive.htm

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"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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>> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>
>

That is a brilliant picture of how not to apply thermal paste!

Andy

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"Andrew" <andrewportess@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
> news:xOmRe.346034$s54.168704@pd7tw2no...
>>> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>>> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>>
>>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>>
>>
>
> That is a brilliant picture of how not to apply thermal paste!
>
> Andy
>

You are absolutely tight...there is enough paste on that puppy for a dozen
CPUs.

Bobby

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"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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>> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>
> I think that you're SOL... That board doesn't have any mounting holes for
> alternative heatsink mounting.
>
> Since the chip is so close to the edge of the board, you MIGHT be able to
> rig some kind of clamp on the one side, but you'll need to be careful.
>
>> I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
>> the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>>
>> http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>
> Thread locker won't hold anything... I don't even think that you could
> superglue the broken lugs back into place and have them hold.
>
> Something you CAN do is the following... BUT IT IS PERMANENT. Make sure
> you choose a good, reliable heatsink. Get some Arctic Silver EPOXY. Clean
> the CPU very very well. Apply a dab of the epoxy and press the heatsink
> onto the chip. Keep them tight until the epoxy sets.
>
> This is ADHESIVE and NOT the normal Arctic Silver compound you normally
> use on a CPU... See here:
>
> http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic [...] hesive.htm
>

One thing to keep in mind with this approach is that you're adhering the
heatsink to the CPU, but then there's not much holding the whole assembly to
the motherboard. Well, there's that latch, but if the heatsink is heavy, you
may end up pulling the CPU out of the socket. Not to mention the stress on
the CPU itself from the heatsink pulling on it. If you can run the computer
so that the motherboard is flat, you won't have that problem. I've done
stranger things than this...

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:38:21 GMT, "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote:

>> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>
>I think that you're SOL... That board doesn't have any mounting holes for
>alternative heatsink mounting.
>
>Since the chip is so close to the edge of the board, you MIGHT be able to
>rig some kind of clamp on the one side, but you'll need to be careful.
>
>> I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
>> the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>>
>> http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>
>Thread locker won't hold anything... I don't even think that you could
>superglue the broken lugs back into place and have them hold.
>
>Something you CAN do is the following... BUT IT IS PERMANENT. Make sure you
>choose a good, reliable heatsink. Get some Arctic Silver EPOXY. Clean the
>CPU very very well. Apply a dab of the epoxy and press the heatsink onto the
>chip. Keep them tight until the epoxy sets.
>
>This is ADHESIVE and NOT the normal Arctic Silver compound you normally use
>on a CPU... See here:
>
>http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_thermal_adhesive.htm
>

Thanks for the advice Noozer. Since sending the OP I've been looking
on eBay & the cost of a new board is quite reasonable. I'll either
leave things as they are or get a new board - its an el cheapo PC
Chips M863G.

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:49:29 +0100, "Andrew"
<andrewportess@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>news:xOmRe.346034$s54.168704@pd7tw2no...
>>> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>>> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>>
>>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>>
>>
>
>That is a brilliant picture of how not to apply thermal paste!
>
>Andy
>

Thats interesting Andy cos I don't know much about this stuff - what
you see in the pic was how much paste was there when the unit arrived.
Now that its working I'm reluctant to take the heatsink off again. Is
there a downside to having that much paste on there?

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

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cripes. i'd toss that out and look for something a *lot* better if i stooped
to ebay (ie 2nd hand).
i do realise $20 is a lot for some...

> Thanks for the advice Noozer. Since sending the OP I've been looking
> on eBay & the cost of a new board is quite reasonable. I'll either
> leave things as they are or get a new board - its an el cheapo PC
> Chips M863G.

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i'd recommend a new motherboard altogether rather than risk crushing
the cpu die.. it is very easy to crush the cpu die, heatsinks with the
metal bars that clamp it down are designed so that when the pressure
comes down it it completely horizontal, if you were to put pressure on
it yourself you could risk crushing the cpu.

having that much thermal paste is not a bad thing, it doesn't do
anything bad.. actually the more you put on it cpu the less chance of
you not putting enough and risk frying the cpu.

also if you're gonna put the heatsink back onto that paste.. well
don't.
you have to clean that paste off and put some new paste on.

John Latter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>
> I've been able to fit the heatsink/fan assembly & it works OK with the
> CPU temperature running at 46/47 degrees C (according to Speedfan).
>
> I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
> the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>
> http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>
> Would this be a good idea - or has anyone got any further suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>
> John Latter
>
> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>
> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

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On 1 Sep 2005 12:29:00 -0700, "larry moe 'n curly"
<larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Also
>those lug holes often have sharp edges that can cut through the
>plastic, so I file them smooth at a 45 degree angle.

LOL, I thought I was the only one who had ever done that!

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:28:34 +0100, John Latter
<jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>
>http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>
>I've been able to fit the heatsink/fan assembly & it works OK with the
>CPU temperature running at 46/47 degrees C (according to Speedfan).
>
>I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
>the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>
>http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>
>Would this be a good idea - or has anyone got any further suggestions?
>
>Thanks!

Please ask in a different group. Your question has nothing to do with
WinXP and hardware.

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On 1 Sep 2005 13:15:54 -0700, "BlastUK" <BlastUK@gmail.com> wrote:

>i'd recommend a new motherboard altogether rather than risk crushing
>the cpu die.. it is very easy to crush the cpu die, heatsinks with the
>metal bars that clamp it down are designed so that when the pressure
>comes down it it completely horizontal, if you were to put pressure on
>it yourself you could risk crushing the cpu.
>
>having that much thermal paste is not a bad thing, it doesn't do
>anything bad.. actually the more you put on it cpu the less chance of
>you not putting enough and risk frying the cpu.
>
>also if you're gonna put the heatsink back onto that paste.. well
>don't.
>you have to clean that paste off and put some new paste on.
>

oops - I've already put the heatsink onto the old paste & have been
running the unit... 'gulp'

er, I know I could probably find out on google, but as I'm already
here, do I just wipe the old stuff off?

>John Latter wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>> which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>>
>> I've been able to fit the heatsink/fan assembly & it works OK with the
>> CPU temperature running at 46/47 degrees C (according to Speedfan).
>>
>> I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
>> the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>>
>> http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>>
>> Would this be a good idea - or has anyone got any further suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Latter
>>
>> Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
>> http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html
>>
>> 'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:16:14 -0400, NobodyMan <none@none.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:28:34 +0100, John Latter
><jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>>which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>
>>http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>>
>>I've been able to fit the heatsink/fan assembly & it works OK with the
>>CPU temperature running at 46/47 degrees C (according to Speedfan).
>>
>>I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
>>the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>>
>>http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>>
>>Would this be a good idea - or has anyone got any further suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks!
>
>Please ask in a different group. Your question has nothing to do with
>WinXP and hardware.

has too

--

John Latter

Model of an Internal Evolutionary Mechanism (based on an extension to homeostasis) linking Stationary-Phase Mutations to the Baldwin Effect.
http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

'Where Darwin meets Lamarck?' Discussion Egroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evomech

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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 05:54:01 +0100, John Latter
<jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:16:14 -0400, NobodyMan <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:28:34 +0100, John Latter
>><jorolat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>This is a pic of a new motherboard I've got hold of where the 'lugs'
>>>which the CPU heatsink fit on to have been damaged:
>>>
>>>http://members.aol.com/jorolat/sempronlugs.jpg
>>>
>>>I've been able to fit the heatsink/fan assembly & it works OK with the
>>>CPU temperature running at 46/47 degrees C (according to Speedfan).
>>>
>>>I've been thinking of adding a dab of a non-permanent thread locker to
>>>the broken lugs/heatsink clip such as the one shown here:
>>>
>>>http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/shop.php?item=1762
>>>
>>>Would this be a good idea - or has anyone got any further suggestions?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>
>>Please ask in a different group. Your question has nothing to do with
>>WinXP and hardware.
>
>has too

What are you, five years old? "Has too?" Is that the best rebuke you
could come up with?

You mainboard damage has NOTHING to do with XP.