Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general (More info?)

Hi, how is everybody doing?

At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too). Here
is what I wanted to know:

I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
shortly.

1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
pre-release preview version) on this system?

2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?

3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP, Mozilla,......?

I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as well
as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.

God Bless. Everybody have a great day.

PB

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general (More info?)

"Pankaj Bhushan" <pankajbhushan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LHo6d.1668$Yr.1303@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Hi, how is everybody doing?
>
> At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
> unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too).
> Here is what I wanted to know:
>

The correct group to post questions to is the one that is to support the x64
preview releases of BOTH Windows XP and Windows Server 2003
Instruction for access are at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsse [...] pport.mspx


> I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
> shortly.
>
> 1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
> pre-release preview version) on this system?
>

Possibly - if you have all the device drivers your system needs.

> 2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
> audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?
>

Yes it does - you cannot use existing Windows XP drivers they must be
specific for the x64 release. Since this release is still in development
not all vendors make drivers available yet and we do not provide every
possible driver in the current release.

> 3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
> Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP, Mozilla,......?
>

Possibly - most regular 32-bit applications (such as Office 2003 etc) will
run OK. You will not be able to run any application that requires a device
driver or other kernel level component that has not been specifically
written for Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; this includes things like
disk defragmenter, anti virus product other hardware specific applications.

> I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as well
> as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.
>
> God Bless. Everybody have a great day.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

"Pankaj Bhushan" <pankajbhushan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LHo6d.1668$Yr.1303@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Hi, how is everybody doing?
>
> At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
> unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too).
> Here is what I wanted to know:
>
> I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
> shortly.
>
> 1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
> pre-release preview version) on this system?
>
> 2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
> audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?
>
> 3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
> Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP, Mozilla,......?
>
> I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as well
> as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.
>
> God Bless. Everybody have a great day.
>
> PB
>
>
>

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general (More info?)

Hi everybody,

Thanks a lot for the very helpful responses - I shall certainly keep them in
mind as I go about my project not too long from now.

I truly appreciate the existence of these newsgroups and the wonderful
people on them who provide such helpful advice freely and willingly.

God Bless everyone.

Everybody have a nice day.

PB
------------

"Pankaj Bhushan" <pankajbhushan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LHo6d.1668$Yr.1303@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Hi, how is everybody doing?
>
> At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
> unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too).
> Here is what I wanted to know:
>
> I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
> shortly.
>
> 1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
> pre-release preview version) on this system?
>
> 2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
> audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?
>
> 3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
> Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP, Mozilla,......?
>
> I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as well
> as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.
>
> God Bless. Everybody have a great day.
>
> PB
>
>
>

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general (More info?)

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
> "Pankaj Bhushan" <pankajbhushan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:LHo6d.1668$Yr.1303@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>Hi, how is everybody doing?
>>
>>At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
>>unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too).
>>Here is what I wanted to know:
>>
>
>
> The correct group to post questions to is the one that is to support the x64
> preview releases of BOTH Windows XP and Windows Server 2003
> Instruction for access are at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsse [...] pport.mspx
>
>
>
>>I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
>>shortly.
I've just done that myself...
>>
>>1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
>>pre-release preview version) on this system?
>>
yes, you can also install 32 bit OS's (all existing versions of XP, ME,
W2k linux) I've got multiple boot drives with each of these on them and
they all run fine.
>
>
> Possibly - if you have all the device drivers your system needs.
If you dont have a 64 bit OS, you dont need and wont use 64 bit drivers
except for the mobo chipset stuff (cool'n'quiet, hyperthreading etc.)
>
>
>>2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
>>audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?
>>
>
>
> Yes it does - you cannot use existing Windows XP drivers they must be
> specific for the x64 release. Since this release is still in development
> not all vendors make drivers available yet and we do not provide every
> possible driver in the current release.
not so. unless you have 64 bit periph's. the current release of hardware
knows nothing of 64 bit OS's. the only drivers available now are the
mobo chipset drivers. other may follow but the not until perip's get to
64 bit.

>
>>3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
>>Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP, Mozilla,......?
>>
>
>
> Possibly - most regular 32-bit applications (such as Office 2003 etc) will
> run OK. You will not be able to run any application that requires a device
> driver or other kernel level component that has not been specifically
> written for Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; this includes things like
> disk defragmenter, anti virus product other hardware specific applications.
>
most definatly. my currnetly booted system is a MSI Neo pro, A64 3200,
etc, W2k (32 bit) office 2000 and all the other old 32 bit applications
that i backed up before i built the system then simply restored them to
the 64 bit system. now i know that i'm not using all my bits, but the
system as a whole is faster (than my old a2500)
basically all your apps should work(mine do), specialist stuff like disk
remappers and applicationd that directally interface with the cpu may
require drivers. but then in windows systems, applications are not
allowed to directally interface with any hardware.
>
>>I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as well
>>as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.
>>
>>God Bless. Everybody have a great day.
>
>

Archived from groups: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general (More info?)

"springer" <springer.PressedPork@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zV%6d.125672$U04.65872@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>> "Pankaj Bhushan" <pankajbhushan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:LHo6d.1668$Yr.1303@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>Hi, how is everybody doing?
>>>
>>>At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
>>>unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too).
>>>Here is what I wanted to know:
>>>
>>
>>
>> The correct group to post questions to is the one that is to support the
>> x64 preview releases of BOTH Windows XP and Windows Server 2003
>> Instruction for access are at
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsse [...] pport.mspx
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
>>>shortly.
> I've just done that myself...
>>>
>>>1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
>>>pre-release preview version) on this system?
>>>
> yes, you can also install 32 bit OS's (all existing versions of XP, ME,
> W2k linux) I've got multiple boot drives with each of these on them and
> they all run fine.
>>
>>
>> Possibly - if you have all the device drivers your system needs.
> If you dont have a 64 bit OS, you dont need and wont use 64 bit drivers
> except for the mobo chipset stuff (cool'n'quiet, hyperthreading etc.)

The question was about using the x64 build on his 64-bit PC. So your answer
is not relevent.

>>
>>
>>>2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
>>>audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes it does - you cannot use existing Windows XP drivers they must be
>> specific for the x64 release. Since this release is still in development
>> not all vendors make drivers available yet and we do not provide every
>> possible driver in the current release.

> not so. unless you have 64 bit periph's. the current release of hardware
> knows nothing of 64 bit OS's. the only drivers available now are the mobo
> chipset drivers. other may follow but the not until perip's get to 64 bit.

Yes so - as the original poster is enquireing about running the x64 release,
you will require x64 direvers for sound, grapohics, NICs and ANY other
perphiral that uses a driver to support it.
The drivers MUST be 64-bit since the operate at a level withthe kenral where
there is no 32-bit layer. Youa re obviusly mistaking the concept of
hardware bus width with the inhernt programming models that differ between
32 and 64 bit operating systems and the associated ow level components like
device drivers.

>
>>
>>>3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
>>>Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP,
>>>Mozilla,......?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Possibly - most regular 32-bit applications (such as Office 2003 etc)
>> will run OK. You will not be able to run any application that requires a
>> device driver or other kernel level component that has not been
>> specifically written for Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; this
>> includes things like disk defragmenter, anti virus product other hardware
>> specific applications.
>>
> most definatly. my currnetly booted system is a MSI Neo pro, A64 3200,
> etc, W2k (32 bit) office 2000 and all the other old 32 bit applications
> that i backed up before i built the system then simply restored them to
> the 64 bit system. now i know that i'm not using all my bits, but the
> system as a whole is faster (than my old a2500)
> basically all your apps should work(mine do), specialist stuff like disk
> remappers and applicationd that directally interface with the cpu may
> require drivers. but then in windows systems, applications are not allowed
> to directally interface with any hardware.

You are making a huge generalisation - just because the your small subset
works it is no guarantee that all 32-bit applications will function
correctly.
You should not make statements like "... basically all your apps should
work(mine do), ..." it is misleading.
Also the repetition of my comments about lower level application is somewhat
redundant.

>>
>>>I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as
>>>well as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.
>>>
>>>God Bless. Everybody have a great day.
>>
--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

"springer" <springer.PressedPork@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zV%6d.125672$U04.65872@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>> "Pankaj Bhushan" <pankajbhushan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:LHo6d.1668$Yr.1303@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>Hi, how is everybody doing?
>>>
>>>At the outset I apologize if I am posting to the wrong group(s) but I was
>>>unable to find a suitable one (maybe someone can help me on this too).
>>>Here is what I wanted to know:
>>>
>>
>>
>> The correct group to post questions to is the one that is to support the
>> x64 preview releases of BOTH Windows XP and Windows Server 2003
>> Instruction for access are at
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsse [...] pport.mspx
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am planning to put together an AMD 64bit + 3000 CPU - based system
>>>shortly.
> I've just done that myself...
>>>
>>>1. Can I install Windows XP Professional 64Bit Edition (I have a
>>>pre-release preview version) on this system?
>>>
> yes, you can also install 32 bit OS's (all existing versions of XP, ME,
> W2k linux) I've got multiple boot drives with each of these on them and
> they all run fine.
>>
>>
>> Possibly - if you have all the device drivers your system needs.
> If you dont have a 64 bit OS, you dont need and wont use 64 bit drivers
> except for the mobo chipset stuff (cool'n'quiet, hyperthreading etc.)
>>
>>
>>>2. Does this OS or CPU require device drivers for periphereals (AGP,
>>>audio, LAN,.....) that are specific to it?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes it does - you cannot use existing Windows XP drivers they must be
>> specific for the x64 release. Since this release is still in development
>> not all vendors make drivers available yet and we do not provide every
>> possible driver in the current release.
> not so. unless you have 64 bit periph's. the current release of hardware
> knows nothing of 64 bit OS's. the only drivers available now are the mobo
> chipset drivers. other may follow but the not until perip's get to 64 bit.
>
>>
>>>3. Can I use "regular" software on this installation:- I mean like
>>>Microsoft Office XP 2003, Adobe Premiere Pro, PowerDVD XP,
>>>Mozilla,......?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Possibly - most regular 32-bit applications (such as Office 2003 etc)
>> will run OK. You will not be able to run any application that requires a
>> device driver or other kernel level component that has not been
>> specifically written for Windows XP Professional x64 Edition; this
>> includes things like disk defragmenter, anti virus product other hardware
>> specific applications.
>>
> most definatly. my currnetly booted system is a MSI Neo pro, A64 3200,
> etc, W2k (32 bit) office 2000 and all the other old 32 bit applications
> that i backed up before i built the system then simply restored them to
> the 64 bit system. now i know that i'm not using all my bits, but the
> system as a whole is faster (than my old a2500)
> basically all your apps should work(mine do), specialist stuff like disk
> remappers and applicationd that directally interface with the cpu may
> require drivers. but then in windows systems, applications are not allowed
> to directally interface with any hardware.
>>
>>>I shall be very grateful if somebody can send me pointers on these as
>>>well as any other relevant issues I may not have addressed here.
>>>
>>>God Bless. Everybody have a great day.
>>