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If I buy memory in a dual channel pack (2x512MB) it will still work
alright in a single channel board right? The memory is:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 985&depa=1

And my motherboard is an MSI K8N Neo Platinum

Thanks a bunch,

Rich

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"Rich Lowe" <xodin@laww.biz> wrote in message
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> If I buy memory in a dual channel pack (2x512MB) it will still work
> alright in a single channel board right? The memory is:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.
asp?description=20-146-985&depa=1
>
> And my motherboard is an MSI K8N Neo Platinum
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Rich

yes
and if you buy 2 sticks of the same memory it will probably work fine in
dual channel boards
It looks to me like newegg is doing this to force users to buy the dual pack
just to get the 512m boards..

(is this ram not overkill for that board?)

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On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:46:54 -0700, Rich Lowe wrote:

> If I buy memory in a dual channel pack (2x512MB) it will still work
> alright in a single channel board right? The memory is:
>
Of course. It's just 2 sticks of 512M ram. There's no such thing as dual
channel ram.

> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 985&depa=1
>
> And my motherboard is an MSI K8N Neo Platinum
>
No way in hell would I pay that much ($336) for 2 sticks of 512M
PC3700ram.

--
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On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:53:03 GMT, Wes Newell
<w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:46:54 -0700, Rich Lowe wrote:
>
>> If I buy memory in a dual channel pack (2x512MB) it will still work
>> alright in a single channel board right? The memory is:
>>
>Of course. It's just 2 sticks of 512M ram. There's no such thing as dual
>channel ram.
>
>> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 985&depa=1
>>
>> And my motherboard is an MSI K8N Neo Platinum
>>
>No way in hell would I pay that much ($336) for 2 sticks of 512M
>PC3700ram.



Actually, ram other than generic PC3200 is quite expensive these days.

I bought some PC4000 ram last april for $125 and it's $173 now, per
512M stick.

As I understand it, that Nforce3 250 motherboard can be overclocked
with the hypertransit bus cranked WAY up, so generic PC3200 isn't
going to do it for you.

I wouldn't get the matched dual pack though, esp since the motherboard
is socket 754 and single channel.

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> yes
> and if you buy 2 sticks of the same memory it will probably work fine in
> dual channel boards
> It looks to me like newegg is doing this to force users to buy the dual pack
> just to get the 512m boards..
>
> (is this ram not overkill for that board?)

It may be, I am trying to find good memory that will work well so that
I can overclock my K8N Neo at a decent speed with a 1:1 ratio for the
memory. At the same time I don't want to sacrifice a large amount of
performance, but I also don't want to pay a much larger price for a
little performance improvement. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Rich

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> No way in hell would I pay that much ($336) for 2 sticks of 512M
> PC3700ram.

Could you give me other suggestions that have good performance for a
better price? As I wrote in the other reply, I am looking for a 1:1
ratio while still having a good overclock speed, preferably 233 or 250
MHz. Though I could use suggestions on that too, this is my first
home-built PC and also my first overclock...

Thanks a ton,

Rich

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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 05:56:17 -0700, Rich Lowe wrote:

>> No way in hell would I pay that much ($336) for 2 sticks of 512M
>> PC3700ram.
>
> Could you give me other suggestions that have good performance for a
> better price? As I wrote in the other reply, I am looking for a 1:1
> ratio while still having a good overclock speed, preferably 233 or 250
> MHz. Though I could use suggestions on that too, this is my first
> home-built PC and also my first overclock...
>
I always buy as fast as possible, but cheap. For my A64 I'm using some old
PC3700 ram I had in my XP system. If I was buying for it today, I'd
probably get cheap PC4x00 ram. Maybe the cheapest one here and not
expecting more than PC3700 speeds (233MHz). They sure try to scare you aay
from the cheap ones though.

http://www.1stchoicememory.com/page103.html

Or maybe this one.

http://www.dvcentury.com/Merchant2 [...] ode=PC4200

I'd start at picewatch.com

--
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"Rich Lowe" <xodin@laww.biz> wrote in message
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> > No way in hell would I pay that much ($336) for 2 sticks of 512M
> > PC3700ram.
>
> Could you give me other suggestions that have good performance for a
> better price? As I wrote in the other reply, I am looking for a 1:1
> ratio while still having a good overclock speed, preferably 233 or 250
> MHz. Though I could use suggestions on that too, this is my first
> home-built PC and also my first overclock...
>
> Thanks a ton,
>
> Rich
I could.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 008&depa=0

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 011&depa=0

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 009&depa=0

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 012&depa=0

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 010&depa=0

This is good ram.
I have two sticks of PC2700 (DDR266) in my P4.
Hm, by CPU-Z It's running @ 220.5
By Sandra Memory Bandwidth Benchmark
2x 220MHz (440MHz data rate)

I have (All Components Memory) in my Athlon XP 2200 @ 2400 running more like
3000+
@ 2.18
2x 168MHz (336MHz data rate)
Timings.
Note, 168 is also my fsb, but ppl that knows amd, they might know this.
2.5,2,2,5 I've had it set @ 2.5,2,2,4
I've ran it faster then this too, up around 180 or so.
I don't remember.

Denny. ;-)

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Ok guys, here is where I'm at so far. Right now I am looking at
DDR500 unless you think I can go to DDR533 or higher with just air
cooling. I don't really want to buy cheap value memory, I'd at least
like reasonable CAS timings and pretty good performance, but at the
same time the memory doesn't really need to perform beyond its specs
very much since I plan on running it at a 1:1 ratio. I definitely
want a brand name with posted CAS timings. Here are two that I am
possibly looking at..

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 932&depa=1

and

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] Code=85017

One thing I don't want to deal with is anything more than air cooling.
I mean I know that this MB can be overclocked easily to it's max of
300Mhz, without major cooling, but I'm not sure how much it will take.
At the moment I've got a dual fan power supply, a top-case fan, a
side-case fan, and a Cooler Master processor heatsink/fan (
http://www.directron.com/accu72.html )

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Rich

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Scratch the

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 932&depa=1

and replace it with

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Mer [...] ffered_OCZ

Rich

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One thing I don't want to deal with is anything more than air cooling.
I mean I know that this MB can be overclocked easily to it's max of
300Mhz, without major cooling, but I'm not sure how much it will take.
At the moment I've got a dual fan power supply, a top-case fan, a
side-case fan, and a Cooler Master processor heatsink/fan (
http://www.directron.com/accu72.html )
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------

Your CPU will never even get close to 300FSB,with air cooling your looking at
250 mabey 260................ I would go for 3500 ram it i will run CAS 2.0
which is what ATHLON 64 CPU's like for best performance. Anything over 3500 and
you most likelu wont be able to run less tha CAS 2.5,4000ram and you looking at
CAS 3.0 or higher.

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"Rich Lowe" <xodin@laww.biz> wrote in message
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> Scratch the
>
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProd [...] 932&depa=1
>
> and replace it with
>
>
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Mer [...] ffered_OCZ
>
> Rich


Ah, Rich. The ram I pointed you to may be cheap, but few people have
given bad reviews on it.
Of course, if you feel you must spend so much just to get high end ram, then
do it.
My point is, you don't have to. There's no need for memory that costs that
much.

If I ever get the money together, I might build a FX53 or FX51.
I'm trying to get the money/credit together to do it.
And what for ram am I going to use, of course.. More Kingmax.

Denny. ;-)

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On 6 Aug 2004 03:27:20 -0700, xodin@laww.biz (Rich Lowe) wrote:

>Ok guys, here is where I'm at so far. Right now I am looking at
>DDR500 unless you think I can go to DDR533 or higher with just air
>cooling. I don't really want to buy cheap value memory, I'd at least
>like reasonable CAS timings and pretty good performance, but at the
>same time the memory doesn't really need to perform beyond its specs
>very much since I plan on running it at a 1:1 ratio. I definitely
>want a brand name with posted CAS timings. Here are two that I am
>possibly looking at..
>
>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-932&depa=1
>
>and
>
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85017
>
>One thing I don't want to deal with is anything more than air cooling.
> I mean I know that this MB can be overclocked easily to it's max of
>300Mhz, without major cooling, but I'm not sure how much it will take.
> At the moment I've got a dual fan power supply, a top-case fan, a
>side-case fan, and a Cooler Master processor heatsink/fan (
>http://www.directron.com/accu72.html )
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rich


I like the ram.


use this one on your cpu:

http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/f [...] ri-12.html

120mm fan is the way to go. effective. quiet.

Will cool your new ram too.

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On 06 Aug 2004 12:35:21 GMT, courseyauto@aol.com (Courseyauto) wrote:

>One thing I don't want to deal with is anything more than air cooling.
> I mean I know that this MB can be overclocked easily to it's max of
>300Mhz, without major cooling, but I'm not sure how much it will take.
> At the moment I've got a dual fan power supply, a top-case fan, a
>side-case fan, and a Cooler Master processor heatsink/fan (
>http://www.directron.com/accu72.html )
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---------------------
>
> Your CPU will never even get close to 300FSB,with air cooling your looking at
>250 mabey 260................ I would go for 3500 ram it i will run CAS 2.0
>which is what ATHLON 64 CPU's like for best performance. Anything over 3500 and
>you most likelu wont be able to run less tha CAS 2.5,4000ram and you looking at
>CAS 3.0 or higher.


The trend is to drop the cpu multiplier in order to get a higher
hypertransit bus speed for the same peak cpu speed.

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> Your CPU will never even get close to 300FSB,with air cooling your looking
at
>250 mabey 260................ I would go for 3500 ram it i will run CAS 2.0
>which is what ATHLON 64 CPU's like for best performance. Anything over 3500
and
>you most likelu wont be able to run less tha CAS 2.5,4000ram and you looking
at
>CAS 3.0 or higher.


<The trend is to drop the cpu multiplier in order to get a higher
<hypertransit bus speed for the same peak cpu speed.

From what ive seen,even lowering the multplier they only run in the 260 range.
only the 939 pin Athlon 64 CPu's have the higher 1 gig hypertransport buss,all
the others are 800mhz. Unless you just want to see how high you can overclock
it, the system will perform better with lower CAS rated ram and a moderate FSB
setting. Corsair Extra low Latency 3200 ram is execellant and will overclock
to 450 with low Latency settings but is expensive. DOUG