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Hi group,

I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new studio,
which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the windows
open when I am away.
With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room the
CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c which
is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which is
not good.
I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too expensive
and requires the windows opening all the time again (exhaust duct)
If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
(No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap place
close enough to town!)
I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.

FSAA

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> With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room the
> CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c
> which
> is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which is
> not good.

I can think of a few possible solutions but they all cost money except....
For the machines where speed is not too important couldn't you look at
"underclocking" them as their role as a web server might not need them
running at full speed..? That will allow them to run cooler and maybe even
allow you to "undervolt" them and so bring down the temps even more.

As you have pointed out the issue seems to be the ambient room temp and so
air flow and better HSF's may help but unless the room temp can be addressed
it is not going to be easy, or cheap, for me to suggest much else for you,
except to consider a cheap Intel base unit to replace the AMD rigs that
again don't need that processing power, as they to often run cooler.

--
Regards

Morgan

Hard drive noisy....
www.flyinglizard.freeserve.co.uk

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FSAA wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new
> studio, which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
> It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the
> windows open when I am away.
> With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room
> the CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around
> 75'c which is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing
> constantly now which is not good.
> I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too
> expensive and requires the windows opening all the time again
> (exhaust duct)
> If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
> properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
> (No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap
> place close enough to town!)
> I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.
>
> FSAA

you *need* the external air, as you say you leave the windows closed and it
gets far to hot, you need to change that hot air out with external cool air,
so you need some sort of secure way of doing that

in winter the problem will still be there really, your machines should be
able to take the beating though
i run 2 machines in my attic, which can get reallly hot, i havn't had any
probs as yet though
pure number of machines in 1 room is enough to overheat it all
for my own pc i got pissed off with fans fans and more fans, so i went out
and bought some plastic air ducting and an extracter (the kind you get in
toilets) i basicly stick the fan on my window sill and pull in cool air, the
other end of the tube points at my cpu, no cooling problems anymore
downside is more noise, and a silly looking tube, the fan isn't noisy
really, not copmared to my pc, and i made the tube nice and tidy down the
back of the desk and such, out of sight mostly

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"FSAA" <fsaa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi group,
>
> I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new studio,
> which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
> It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the
windows
> open when I am away.
> With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room the
> CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c
which
> is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which is
> not good.
> I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too expensive
> and requires the windows opening all the time again (exhaust duct)
> If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
> properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
> (No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap place
> close enough to town!)
> I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.
>
> FSAA

It doesn't matter what you do - all the energy involved in running each PC
is ultimately converted to heat. With 7 PCs, each with a power supply
drawing perhaps 200w, then you have a 1.4Kw heater on in your room 24/7.
The only way you can keep the temps down is to get the heat out of the room
somehow. There's no other way.

Chip.

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"Morgan" <morgan@home.net> wrote in message
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> > With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room
the
> > CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c
> > which
> > is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which
is
> > not good.
>
> I can think of a few possible solutions but they all cost money except....
> For the machines where speed is not too important couldn't you look at
> "underclocking" them as their role as a web server might not need them
> running at full speed..? That will allow them to run cooler and maybe even
> allow you to "undervolt" them and so bring down the temps even more.
>
> As you have pointed out the issue seems to be the ambient room temp and so
> air flow and better HSF's may help but unless the room temp can be
addressed
> it is not going to be easy, or cheap, for me to suggest much else for you,
> except to consider a cheap Intel base unit to replace the AMD rigs that
> again don't need that processing power, as they to often run cooler.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Morgan
>
> Hard drive noisy....
> www.flyinglizard.freeserve.co.uk
>
>

Thanks Morgan,

Underclocking is going to be one of the things I will try then (although I
am a bit unwilling to do it
You are right that it is physically impossible to have cool ambient temp if
I can't get rid of the build up of heat in the enclosed space somehow. The
energy has to go somewhere! I am also thinking of water cooling my most
noisy and hot rig (Dual Athlon MP) but I think the water will still dump the
same amount of heat back into the room, the heat just won't magically go
away with better CPU cooling scheme as they still have to go somewhere.
I guess one of the "Out of the box" solution may be to try to install
security windows grills so I can have windows open all the time.... but then
I will get funny creatures sneaking into the flat as I am facing the street
on ground level.

FSAA

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"Geoff" <fooooooool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2m53luFiccenU1@uni-berlin.de...
> FSAA wrote:
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new
> > studio, which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
> > It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the
> > windows open when I am away.
> > With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room
> > the CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around
> > 75'c which is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing
> > constantly now which is not good.
> > I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too
> > expensive and requires the windows opening all the time again
> > (exhaust duct)
> > If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
> > properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
> > (No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap
> > place close enough to town!)
> > I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.
> >
> > FSAA
>
> you *need* the external air, as you say you leave the windows closed and
it
> gets far to hot, you need to change that hot air out with external cool
air,
> so you need some sort of secure way of doing that
>
> in winter the problem will still be there really, your machines should be
> able to take the beating though
> i run 2 machines in my attic, which can get reallly hot, i havn't had any
> probs as yet though
> pure number of machines in 1 room is enough to overheat it all
> for my own pc i got pissed off with fans fans and more fans, so i went out
> and bought some plastic air ducting and an extracter (the kind you get in
> toilets) i basicly stick the fan on my window sill and pull in cool air,
the
> other end of the tube points at my cpu, no cooling problems anymore
> downside is more noise, and a silly looking tube, the fan isn't noisy
> really, not copmared to my pc, and i made the tube nice and tidy down the
> back of the desk and such, out of sight mostly
>
>

I think one of my second option is to put some small 12" desk fan around the
cluster so even they will be recirculating and blowing hot air but the air
will still be cooler then the heatsink and I hope they will bring the core
temp down by a bit. as at the moment the hot air around the cluster isn't
going anywhere too far without air flow. But that won't solve my problem of
sweating like a pig , I think I will somehow think of a way to keep the
windows opened securely

FSAA

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"FSAA" <fsaa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cdjhpl$h8d$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new studio,
> which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
> It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the
windows
> open when I am away.
> With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room the
> CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c
which
> is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which is
> not good.
> I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too expensive
> and requires the windows opening all the time again (exhaust duct)
> If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
> properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
> (No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap place
> close enough to town!)
> I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.


An extractor fan on a window or through a wall would help. You could even
try fixing some ducting tube from each PC exhaust fan and running it direct
to the extractor fan so most of the heat goes straight outside.

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>
> I think one of my second option is to put some small 12" desk fan
> around the cluster so even they will be recirculating and blowing hot
> air but the air will still be cooler then the heatsink and I hope
> they will bring the core temp down by a bit. as at the moment the hot
> air around the cluster isn't going anywhere too far without air flow.
> But that won't solve my problem of sweating like a pig , I think I
> will somehow think of a way to keep the windows opened securely
>
> FSAA

been there done that, washed the t-shift.....
it does help the pc's a bit, better than nothing i must say

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"Chip" <anneonymouse@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:2m541iFj8ounU1@uni-berlin.de...
> "FSAA" <fsaa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cdjhpl$h8d$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new
studio,
> > which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
> > It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the
> windows
> > open when I am away.
> > With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room
the
> > CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c
> which
> > is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which
is
> > not good.
> > I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too
expensive
> > and requires the windows opening all the time again (exhaust duct)
> > If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
> > properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
> > (No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap
place
> > close enough to town!)
> > I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.
> >
> > FSAA
>
> It doesn't matter what you do - all the energy involved in running each PC
> is ultimately converted to heat. With 7 PCs, each with a power supply
> drawing perhaps 200w, then you have a 1.4Kw heater on in your room 24/7.
> The only way you can keep the temps down is to get the heat out of the
room
> somehow. There's no other way.
>
> Chip.
>
>

Yep, conservation of matter and energy :-( (Unless I can turn energy (heat)
back into matter :-) ?)

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The problem you have (as you know) is exhausting the heat.
The only fluid (liquid or gaseous) flowing through your flat is mains water
(presumably).
If your water is unmetered, you could watercool your rigs and place the
radiators in a tank with throughflow.
There is nothing else to remove the heat.
Seven rigs will generate 100-700 watts - quite a bit of heat.


"FSAA" <fsaa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cdjhpl$h8d$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> Hi group,
>
> I have 7 PCs running 24/7, it was all fine until I moved to my new studio,
> which is a 10ft x 10ft room (very small)
> It is on a ground floor so due to security reasons I can't leave the
windows
> open when I am away.
> With the PCs running in such small space with no air flow in the room the
> CPU temp for most of the PCs (mostly AThlon XPs) shoots to around 75'c
which
> is way too high, I have a few web servers crashing constantly now which is
> not good.
> I have thought of portable air conditioners but they are way too expensive
> and requires the windows opening all the time again (exhaust duct)
> If you guys have any ideas cooling this living oven (I could not sleep
> properly at night due to the heat) will be great to hear from you
> (No, moving to another flat is NOT and option, it is the only cheap place
> close enough to town!)
> I was hoping the problem will go away in winter.
>
> FSAA
>
>

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:52:50 +0000, FSAA wrote:

> I guess one of the "Out of the box" solution may be to try to install
> security windows grills so I can have windows open all the time.... but then
> I will get funny creatures sneaking into the flat as I am facing the street
> on ground level.
>
Why can't you just put in a window AC? it's more secure than just having
an easily broken window. It can be secured from the inside and be ten
times as hard to get through as just the window alone. I've got a small
window unit in the closet that I can pop in if the central air fails.

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"Morgan" <morgan@home.net> wrote
> For the machines where speed is not too important couldn't you look at
> "underclocking" them

How about 35 watt XP mobile cpu's?

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