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Dear Colleagues:

At the tail end of this post is my original post with regards to this
matter. Basically, I went and told my superiors that our network was
seriously exposed.

Today I had a meeting and, guess what, it was suggested that I find another
job. This is great, essentially having the dipshits at work side with a
completely ignorant person who knows nothing about security.

Guess what industry I work in? Education!

Thats right folks, education. Maybe the people who are in education need a
bit of it themselves.

And we wonder why our system is so screwed up!

Curious George



Dear Colleagues:

For the life of me I don't know why I have to ask this question since the
answer is so obvious, however, I need to have others tell me that I am not
completely insane.

I work at a place where we have a myriad of wireless access points and NO, I
am not writing from there at present.

NONE of the wireless access points has any form of security on them
whatsoever. No WEP, no CHAP. . . no nothing. Everything is open so you
could walk into our joint, grab an IP address and surf the web to your
heart's content.

Here is the problem. My boss insists that its "no big deal" and that since
the servers are on the inside and protected, we really don't have a thing to
worry about. Furthermore, my boss is under the impression that since we are
situated in a wide area, that nobody would be able to get into our network
because of this distance. Needless to say, my boss does not consider
somebody sneaking into a parking lot with a laptop, a good network card and
a directional bazooka antenna a possibility.

So here is what I have to explain to my boss' boss and, perhaps, the board
of directors. . . and here is where I can't help but laugh. I hope that I
will be able to keep a straight face come Monday when I have to explain
myself to people why its important.

Okay, so I know the analogies. For example, I understand that not having a
secure wireless network with many Waps and high gain transmission antennas
is the same as putting cables out to anybody within 'x' amount of yards with
a sign that says "free internet access", but since I am going to be asked
these obvious questions, just what type of damage could somebody do?

Yeah, I know about denial of service attacks, yeah I also know about
enumeration and password guessing, but considering that we have an SQL
server on the inside of our network (no, the sa account password is not
null) what are we talking about.

I can envision so many things. Like somebody just sitting there caputring
packets to get things like usernames, passwords and the like, but come on. .
.. what else could they do.

I have read my boss the riot act many times, but this is now going to go in
front of somebody over my boss' head, so, aside from giving them worst case
scenarios, end of the world analogies, etc., how else could people break in.

Creative responses are appreciated and will be rewarded with much praise.

I can't believe that I have to actually explain this to people, and this
entire thing would last about two seconds when it comes to talking with a
computer professional, but you see, my boss is under the impression that
they are a computer professional because they received a Master's degree in
Comp Sci back in the 80's. I know that this line of thinking is dangerous,
but I really want some creative answers to put my point across strongly, and
yet professionally.

Although I realize that this post will likely be the butt of many jokes
(which I will appreciate immensely) I never the less would appreciate a bit
of useful information in your responses.

I am going to have a serious drink now, and then bang my head against the
wall.

Thanks in advance,

CC

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all i will say is your educational establishment is not alome in this set
up.
can't say where, of course, but we have exactly the same no security
fullstop & over 3500 users, last count, >1560 using wireless.

however, i would not worry about it.
not your problem fullstop.

mike

"Curious George" <curious@spampoop.com> wrote in message
news:eOCLd.2346$oM7.1786@fe10.lga...
> Dear Colleagues:
>
> At the tail end of this post is my original post with regards to this
> matter. Basically, I went and told my superiors that our network was
> seriously exposed.
>
> Today I had a meeting and, guess what, it was suggested that I find
another
> job. This is great, essentially having the dipshits at work side with a
> completely ignorant person who knows nothing about security.
>
> Guess what industry I work in? Education!
>
> Thats right folks, education. Maybe the people who are in education need
a
> bit of it themselves.
>
> And we wonder why our system is so screwed up!
>
> Curious George
>
>
>
> Dear Colleagues:
>
> For the life of me I don't know why I have to ask this question since the
> answer is so obvious, however, I need to have others tell me that I am not
> completely insane.
>
> I work at a place where we have a myriad of wireless access points and NO,
I
> am not writing from there at present.
>
> NONE of the wireless access points has any form of security on them
> whatsoever. No WEP, no CHAP. . . no nothing. Everything is open so you
> could walk into our joint, grab an IP address and surf the web to your
> heart's content.
>
> Here is the problem. My boss insists that its "no big deal" and that
since
> the servers are on the inside and protected, we really don't have a thing
to
> worry about. Furthermore, my boss is under the impression that since we
are
> situated in a wide area, that nobody would be able to get into our network
> because of this distance. Needless to say, my boss does not consider
> somebody sneaking into a parking lot with a laptop, a good network card
and
> a directional bazooka antenna a possibility.
>
> So here is what I have to explain to my boss' boss and, perhaps, the board
> of directors. . . and here is where I can't help but laugh. I hope that I
> will be able to keep a straight face come Monday when I have to explain
> myself to people why its important.
>
> Okay, so I know the analogies. For example, I understand that not having
a
> secure wireless network with many Waps and high gain transmission antennas
> is the same as putting cables out to anybody within 'x' amount of yards
with
> a sign that says "free internet access", but since I am going to be asked
> these obvious questions, just what type of damage could somebody do?
>
> Yeah, I know about denial of service attacks, yeah I also know about
> enumeration and password guessing, but considering that we have an SQL
> server on the inside of our network (no, the sa account password is not
> null) what are we talking about.
>
> I can envision so many things. Like somebody just sitting there caputring
> packets to get things like usernames, passwords and the like, but come on.
..
> . what else could they do.
>
> I have read my boss the riot act many times, but this is now going to go
in
> front of somebody over my boss' head, so, aside from giving them worst
case
> scenarios, end of the world analogies, etc., how else could people break
in.
>
> Creative responses are appreciated and will be rewarded with much praise.
>
> I can't believe that I have to actually explain this to people, and this
> entire thing would last about two seconds when it comes to talking with a
> computer professional, but you see, my boss is under the impression that
> they are a computer professional because they received a Master's degree
in
> Comp Sci back in the 80's. I know that this line of thinking is
dangerous,
> but I really want some creative answers to put my point across strongly,
and
> yet professionally.
>
> Although I realize that this post will likely be the butt of many jokes
> (which I will appreciate immensely) I never the less would appreciate a
bit
> of useful information in your responses.
>
> I am going to have a serious drink now, and then bang my head against the
> wall.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> CC
>
>

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Right Chap!

Off to greener pastures and more money. . . this is grand, just grand -
security field is bright ahead.

CC

"mikeFNB" <moc.dlrowltn@FNB7G-ekim> wrote in message
news:2wULd.442$Y66.405@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> all i will say is your educational establishment is not alome in this set
> up.
> can't say where, of course, but we have exactly the same no security
> fullstop & over 3500 users, last count, >1560 using wireless.
>
> however, i would not worry about it.
> not your problem fullstop.
>
> mike
>
> "Curious George" <curious@spampoop.com> wrote in message
> news:eOCLd.2346$oM7.1786@fe10.lga...
>> Dear Colleagues:
>>
>> At the tail end of this post is my original post with regards to this
>> matter. Basically, I went and told my superiors that our network was
>> seriously exposed.
>>
>> Today I had a meeting and, guess what, it was suggested that I find
> another
>> job. This is great, essentially having the dipshits at work side with a
>> completely ignorant person who knows nothing about security.
>>
>> Guess what industry I work in? Education!
>>
>> Thats right folks, education. Maybe the people who are in education need
> a
>> bit of it themselves.
>>
>> And we wonder why our system is so screwed up!
>>
>> Curious George
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues:
>>
>> For the life of me I don't know why I have to ask this question since the
>> answer is so obvious, however, I need to have others tell me that I am
>> not
>> completely insane.
>>
>> I work at a place where we have a myriad of wireless access points and
>> NO,
> I
>> am not writing from there at present.
>>
>> NONE of the wireless access points has any form of security on them
>> whatsoever. No WEP, no CHAP. . . no nothing. Everything is open so you
>> could walk into our joint, grab an IP address and surf the web to your
>> heart's content.
>>
>> Here is the problem. My boss insists that its "no big deal" and that
> since
>> the servers are on the inside and protected, we really don't have a thing
> to
>> worry about. Furthermore, my boss is under the impression that since we
> are
>> situated in a wide area, that nobody would be able to get into our
>> network
>> because of this distance. Needless to say, my boss does not consider
>> somebody sneaking into a parking lot with a laptop, a good network card
> and
>> a directional bazooka antenna a possibility.
>>
>> So here is what I have to explain to my boss' boss and, perhaps, the
>> board
>> of directors. . . and here is where I can't help but laugh. I hope that
>> I
>> will be able to keep a straight face come Monday when I have to explain
>> myself to people why its important.
>>
>> Okay, so I know the analogies. For example, I understand that not having
> a
>> secure wireless network with many Waps and high gain transmission
>> antennas
>> is the same as putting cables out to anybody within 'x' amount of yards
> with
>> a sign that says "free internet access", but since I am going to be asked
>> these obvious questions, just what type of damage could somebody do?
>>
>> Yeah, I know about denial of service attacks, yeah I also know about
>> enumeration and password guessing, but considering that we have an SQL
>> server on the inside of our network (no, the sa account password is not
>> null) what are we talking about.
>>
>> I can envision so many things. Like somebody just sitting there
>> caputring
>> packets to get things like usernames, passwords and the like, but come
>> on.
> .
>> . what else could they do.
>>
>> I have read my boss the riot act many times, but this is now going to go
> in
>> front of somebody over my boss' head, so, aside from giving them worst
> case
>> scenarios, end of the world analogies, etc., how else could people break
> in.
>>
>> Creative responses are appreciated and will be rewarded with much praise.
>>
>> I can't believe that I have to actually explain this to people, and this
>> entire thing would last about two seconds when it comes to talking with a
>> computer professional, but you see, my boss is under the impression that
>> they are a computer professional because they received a Master's degree
> in
>> Comp Sci back in the 80's. I know that this line of thinking is
> dangerous,
>> but I really want some creative answers to put my point across strongly,
> and
>> yet professionally.
>>
>> Although I realize that this post will likely be the butt of many jokes
>> (which I will appreciate immensely) I never the less would appreciate a
> bit
>> of useful information in your responses.
>>
>> I am going to have a serious drink now, and then bang my head against the
>> wall.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> CC
>>
>>
>
>