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Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
> it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
> whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
> how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
> slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
> long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
> programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
> obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
> years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
> assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?
>

Intel are releasing their 64-bit Processors into the market right now I
think..
If not visually then they are at least doing it on paper..
I'd bet your safe for 2 years using a non-64b system. I doubt you'll save
any real cost savings by building anything other than a a64 system.

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Hey Aether, I'm getting ready to get a N4 and amd 3.2 winchester cpu...
plus just using the xp home sp2 for software....
I know MS 64bit OS will be out soon, but I see no real need to get it
even with a 64bit cpu until games start coming out running in 64bit..
that's just me.....
good luck

"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1109672861.469546.55860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
> it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
> whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
> how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
> slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
> long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
> programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
> obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
> years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
> assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?
>

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
> it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
> whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
> how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
> slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
> long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
> programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
> obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
> years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
> assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?

I would consider a processor with 64-bit support to be a slight plus
right now. At the moment, you're probably better off letting 64-bit CPUs
drop the prices on processors without 64-bit support. It's quite possible
that by the time you want a 64-bit CPU for games, the CPU you buy today will
already be obsolete.

DS

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David Schwartz wrote:
> "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1109672861.469546.55860@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll
>> use it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction.
>> Should whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not,
>> when? If so, how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I
>> understand AMD is slightly faster for games, but what I'm more
>> interested in is the long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By
>> the time 64-bit programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I
>> purchase be obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for
>> at least two years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel),
>> would it assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?
>
> I would consider a processor with 64-bit support to be a slight
> plus right now. At the moment, you're probably better off letting
> 64-bit CPUs drop the prices on processors without 64-bit support.
> It's quite possible that by the time you want a 64-bit CPU for games,
> the CPU you buy today will already be obsolete.

If you buy a socket 939 CPU and motherboard today, you should be able to
whack in a dual core CPU at the end of the year.

I suspect that the 939 socket will live for a while, with options like that.

Ben
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On 1 Mar 2005 02:27:41 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
>it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
>whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
>how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
>slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
>long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
>programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
>obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
>years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
>assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?


When I build a new PC the old one gets used as our 2nd PC, the 2nd then
becomes the 3rd and so on... so when I built my last PC (6 months ago) I
went with AMD64 so when it becomes my 2nd PC I'll have two 64-bit
supported PCs. If you sale the box in 2 years it may be worth more if it
has a 64-bit CPU inside also.
Good luck and happy building,
Ed

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> Ed wrote:
> On 1 Mar 2005 02:27:41 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> When I build a new PC the old one gets used as our 2nd PC, the 2nd
then
> becomes the 3rd and so on... so when I built my last PC (6 months
ago) I
> went with AMD64 so when it becomes my 2nd PC I'll have two 64-bit
> supported PCs. If you sale the box in 2 years it may be worth more if
it
> has a 64-bit CPU inside also.
> Good luck and happy building,
> Ed


Another question: can the Abit AA8XE 'Fatal1ty' board support the new
Intel EM64T processor? It's an LGA775 based motherboard.

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On 1 Mar 2005 14:31:01 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> Ed wrote:
>> On 1 Mar 2005 02:27:41 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When I build a new PC the old one gets used as our 2nd PC, the 2nd
>then
>> becomes the 3rd and so on... so when I built my last PC (6 months
>ago) I
>> went with AMD64 so when it becomes my 2nd PC I'll have two 64-bit
>> supported PCs. If you sale the box in 2 years it may be worth more if
>it
>> has a 64-bit CPU inside also.
>> Good luck and happy building,
>> Ed
>
>
>Another question: can the Abit AA8XE 'Fatal1ty' board support the new
>Intel EM64T processor? It's an LGA775 based motherboard.

http://www2.abit.com.tw/test_repor [...] /index.php

hth,
Ed

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> Ed wrote:
> On 1 Mar 2005 14:31:01 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Ed wrote:
> >> On 1 Mar 2005 02:27:41 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> When I build a new PC the old one gets used as our 2nd PC, the 2nd
> >then
> >> becomes the 3rd and so on... so when I built my last PC (6 months
> >ago) I
> >> went with AMD64 so when it becomes my 2nd PC I'll have two 64-bit
> >> supported PCs. If you sale the box in 2 years it may be worth more
if
> >it
> >> has a 64-bit CPU inside also.
> >> Good luck and happy building,
> >> Ed
> >
> >
> >Another question: can the Abit AA8XE 'Fatal1ty' board support the
new
> >Intel EM64T processor? It's an LGA775 based motherboard.
>
> http://www2.abit.com.tw/test_repor [...] /index.php
>
> hth,
> Ed


I honestly overlooked that. Appreciate it, Ed.

I suppose that means the AA8XE is 'future proof' for a couple years.
Or, am I missing something?

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aether wrote:
>>>Another question: can the Abit AA8XE 'Fatal1ty' board support the
>
> new
>
>>>Intel EM64T processor? It's an LGA775 based motherboard.
>>
>>http://www2.abit.com.tw/test_report/Fatal1ty%20AA8XE/index.php
>>
>>hth,
>>Ed
>
>
>
> I honestly overlooked that. Appreciate it, Ed.
>
> I suppose that means the AA8XE is 'future proof' for a couple years.
> Or, am I missing something?
All boards which can use the 5xx series of intel prescott p4 cpus can
also use the emt64-capable 6xx series (with a bios update, if there's a
board which can't yell at the manufacturer until it can...).
As for future proof, this doesn't exist. With intel, it is already
certain you will need another board for the upcoming dual-core P4 cpus
(release sometime this year). With AMD, it wouldn't be that much better,
you could likely upgrade to some (expensive high-end) dual-core Athlon64
at the end of the year or so (with socket 939, nothing but new low-end
cpus are to be released for socket 754), but next year AMD will
introduce a new socket (M2, boards/cpus will support DDR2-667) too.

Roland

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On 1 Mar 2005 15:16:35 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I honestly overlooked that. Appreciate it, Ed.
>
>I suppose that means the AA8XE is 'future proof' for a couple years.
>Or, am I missing something?

Hopefully someone else can answer your Qs, I haven't done Intel in
years.
Good Luck,
Ed

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Intel will be releasing their 64 bit P4's shortly. I would recommend
waiting if you want the computer to be current for several years.

--
DaveW



"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
> it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
> whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
> how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
> slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
> long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
> programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
> obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
> years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
> assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?
>

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aether wrote:
> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
> it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
> whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
> how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
> slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
> long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
> programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
> obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
> years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
> assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?

I actually don't think you will have to worry at all about whether your
processor will be obsolete by the time 64-bit software becomes more
prevalent. There used to be a time in the not-too-distant past when
processors were getting faster and faster all of the time -- those days
have now past. You won't get more than a few percentage points of
additional performance even after several years; and the processors are
way overpowered for the most part. These days they seem to compete on
"features", such as USB 2.0, or WiFi, or SATA; another feature that they
compete on is of course 64-bit.

Go ahead get the 64-bit "feature". The next feature after that might be
the dual-core feature.

Yousuf Khan

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I read recently that MS expects the number of deployments of XP64 bit to be
in the millions in the first year.
Secondly, that MS will be aggressively moving apps it markets over to 64bit.
IE 64 bit is the future, it is here in h/w and the s/w is coming.

S/W vendors that do not move across quickly will get lost in the rush so
expect some new Big Names. H/W vendors that do not provide 64 bit drivers
promptly will be in the shyte. The good thing about the AMD 64 bit
implementation is the ability to run 32 bit systems. The bad thing about it
is the ability to run 32 bit systems.

If you need a system Now then buy what you can Now. The old formular of 1
step down from the best has always worked well for me IE a Winchester 3500
on an SLI motherboard would be a good bet. (There used to be 1 very sharp
price increment between fastest and 2nd fastet).

The "best" system now tends to last the longest into the future - so long as
the componentry is good.

- Tim


"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Building a computer from scratch. It'll be built for someone who'll use
> it for alot of things, but tilted in the 'gaming' direction. Should
> whether the processor is 64-bit or 32-bit matter? If not, when? If so,
> how so? In other words, should I go AMD or Intel? I understand AMD is
> slightly faster for games, but what I'm more interested in is the
> long-term utility of the 64-bit processor. By the time 64-bit
> programming is mainstream, will whatever processor I purchase be
> obsolete? I'd like for the computer to be functional for at least two
> years, if not alittle longer. If I went 32-bit (Intel), would it
> assuredly be obsolete, whereas with AMD not so much?
>

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Well, congratulations guys, you've succeeded in making me somewhat
cautious again. No matter, I must get this computer built. I've been
through this before. It seems hesitation only brings other, better
things on the horizon. If you wait, you wait forever.

Besides, I've a feeling real uti