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I think the time has come for me to put together a new system and retire my
old ST6R even though it has been running like a champ. But the 1.1Ghz P3 is
getting a little long in tooth, plus the 512mb RAM limit is letting itself
be known. So:

Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.

So, help me spec this out. Give me opinions. What is the latest? What
should I look and look out for? What are the CPU and MB (chipset) choices?
Etc, etc.

Lets hear it.
--
Jerry P.

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Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:

Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of a
second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a ICH7R
and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if you
archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will be
noticable.

And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and that
"if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you don't
raid-0 too! Go for it...

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<frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>
> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of a
> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a ICH7R
> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if you
> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will be
> noticable.
>
> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and that
> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you don't
> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>

I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to the
controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every time.
But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of editing
these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal. Which drives
are native SATA these days?

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Jerry Polyak wrote:
>
> I think the time has come for me to put together a new system and retire my
> old ST6R even though it has been running like a champ. But the 1.1Ghz P3 is
> getting a little long in tooth, plus the 512mb RAM limit is letting itself
> be known. So:

:-)
4k 'bits' usta be 'base' for a DG McNova ...
Mamory HOG !!!!!


> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
> necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
> needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.
>
> So, help me spec this out. Give me opinions. What is the latest? What
> should I look and look out for? What are the CPU and MB (chipset) choices?
> Etc, etc.
>
> Lets hear it.

This =IS= God !!!
Listen carefully ...

Do your homework re : Intel/AMD dual cores ... and the supporting
chip-sets.
A 'few' mite consider it amusing.

Added 'too' ...
how many current, commercial 'app' coders can hack a dual-core "App" ...
???
Nobody writes 'asslr' anymore , "C"( & variants ) aint yet prime-time
for dual core coding ...

Then 'too' ...
AGP seems in decline.
no great new 'shakes' in mamory design ...
the new 'vertical' HD recording holds (future) promise of 3.5" 1TB HDs ,
& ++ .

Me?
I'd wait a while, let the 'dust' settle.

'Sport_About' in your '33' beast ...
but not to the 'extent' that Willie debauched ...
be called "God" ...
enjoy life.
Let the bleeding-edge types do 'beta'.

Can you speak any of the India 'Indian" dialects ... yet.
Its 'hoped' that you( here in the USofA ) have International 'LD' ...
You 'too' can/will be outsourced.

Qed.

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"0_Qed" <nano.bot@shaysnet.com> wrote in message
news:430A107D.6F06@shaysnet.com...
> Jerry Polyak wrote:
>>
>> I think the time has come for me to put together a new system and retire
>> my
>> old ST6R even though it has been running like a champ. But the 1.1Ghz P3
>> is
>> getting a little long in tooth, plus the 512mb RAM limit is letting
>> itself
>> be known. So:
>
> :-)
> 4k 'bits' usta be 'base' for a DG McNova ...
> Mamory HOG !!!!!
>
>
>> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but not a
>> necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb of RAM. The price
>> needs to be reasonable, so please don't tell me to get the P4E chips.
>>
>> So, help me spec this out. Give me opinions. What is the latest? What
>> should I look and look out for? What are the CPU and MB (chipset)
>> choices?
>> Etc, etc.
>>
>> Lets hear it.
>
> This =IS= God !!!
> Listen carefully ...
>
> Do your homework re : Intel/AMD dual cores ... and the supporting
> chip-sets.
> A 'few' mite consider it amusing.
>
> Added 'too' ...
> how many current, commercial 'app' coders can hack a dual-core "App" ...
> ???
> Nobody writes 'asslr' anymore , "C"( & variants ) aint yet prime-time
> for dual core coding ...
>
> Then 'too' ...
> AGP seems in decline.
> no great new 'shakes' in mamory design ...
> the new 'vertical' HD recording holds (future) promise of 3.5" 1TB HDs ,
> & ++ .
>
> Me?
> I'd wait a while, let the 'dust' settle.
>
> 'Sport_About' in your '33' beast ...
> but not to the 'extent' that Willie debauched ...
> be called "God" ...
> enjoy life.
> Let the bleeding-edge types do 'beta'.
>
> Can you speak any of the India 'Indian" dialects ... yet.
> Its 'hoped' that you( here in the USofA ) have International 'LD' ...
> You 'too' can/will be outsourced.
>
> Qed.

HAHAHAHA!!!

Interestingly enough, we've been buying a lot of Dell's lately which come
with bad caps as a feature. So I've been spending a lot, and I mean a LOT,
of time with Dell tech support. Let's just say it's been very amusing, to
say the least.

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Yes, I was going to say, if you're going RAID 0, make sure you have good
backups and preferably a recent image of your boot/system partition as well.
Seagate has the best warranty right now (5 yrs), but currently only make
SATA 150 drives AFAIK. Hitachi seems to be the leader on SATA II drives,
and IIRC, they come with a 3yr warranty. If I were building a new system
today, I'd buy an Athlon 64 with a slot 939 board.

Regards,

Margaret

"Jerry Polyak" <dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> <frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
> news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
>> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
>> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>>
>> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of a
>> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
>> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a
>> ICH7R
>> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if
>> you
>> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
>> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
>> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will
>> be
>> noticable.
>>
>> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and
>> that
>> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you don't
>> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>>
>
> I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to
> the controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every
> time. But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
> Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
> server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
> HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of
> editing these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal.
> Which drives are native SATA these days?
>

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Er, I meant socket 939....

Regards,

Margaret

"Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
newsedl0c02sn6@news3.newsguy.com...
> Yes, I was going to say, if you're going RAID 0, make sure you have good
> backups and preferably a recent image of your boot/system partition as
> well. Seagate has the best warranty right now (5 yrs), but currently only
> make SATA 150 drives AFAIK. Hitachi seems to be the leader on SATA II
> drives, and IIRC, they come with a 3yr warranty. If I were building a new
> system today, I'd buy an Athlon 64 with a slot 939 board.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
>
> "Jerry Polyak" <dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsFnOe.3596$Z87.357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> <frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
>> news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
>>> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>>>
>>> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of
>>> a
>>> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
>>> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a
>>> ICH7R
>>> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if
>>> you
>>> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
>>> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
>>> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will
>>> be
>>> noticable.
>>>
>>> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and
>>> that
>>> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you
>>> don't
>>> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>>>
>>
>> I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to
>> the controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every
>> time. But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
>> Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
>> server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
>> HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of
>> editing these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal.
>> Which drives are native SATA these days?
>>
>
>

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I am not building the system necessarily "today". This is an information
gathering step. I was hoping to get some opinions/information on CPU's
available and upcoming. I.E. different cores available and the info and ETA
on the upcoming dual core chips.

HD's will most likely be 2x74GB 10k RPM Raptors in RAID-0 for OS and
applications. Another 80GB drive for backing up the array and a 250GB for
data and file storage.

Not sure on the Video Card. Don't think my old one will be compatible. But
nothing to pricey. I just need to edit photos and a movie every now and
than. Don't do that much gaming anymore.

1 or 2 GB of memory should do. Always had good results with Crucial.

Case, PS, optical drives are no brainers. There is still no SATA optical
drives, right?


"Margaret Wilson" <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
newsedl0c02sn6@news3.newsguy.com...
> Yes, I was going to say, if you're going RAID 0, make sure you have good
> backups and preferably a recent image of your boot/system partition as
> well. Seagate has the best warranty right now (5 yrs), but currently only
> make SATA 150 drives AFAIK. Hitachi seems to be the leader on SATA II
> drives, and IIRC, they come with a 3yr warranty. If I were building a new
> system today, I'd buy an Athlon 64 with a slot 939 board.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
>
> "Jerry Polyak" <dawg2golf@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsFnOe.3596$Z87.357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> <frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
>> news:11gk0pcktj00t13@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Sounds like fun, and you sound like you know what you're doing, so I'll
>>> only say one thing and let others add their 2 cents:
>>>
>>> Go RAID 0. Biggest bang-for-the-buck without a doubt, for the price of
>>> a
>>> second HD you get very noticable performance increase. Look at the
>>> Hitachi 80 GB SATA II drive, about $55 at newegg. Buy two, mate to a
>>> ICH7R
>>> and you're cookin w/ gas! 160 GB should be plenty for most people, if
>>> you
>>> archive tons of music or videos (for playback) then add 3rd big HD for
>>> that. But, if you do a lot of media EDITING then I'd get two big HDs and
>>> raid 0 them instead, the thruput increase when editting/converting will
>>> be
>>> noticable.
>>>
>>> And don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's less reliable, and
>>> that
>>> "if I loose one drive then I loose everything" - that's true if you
>>> don't
>>> raid-0 too! Go for it...
>>>
>>
>> I ran RAID-0 on my current set up for a while. Had to abandon it due to
>> the controller being flaky, failed drives, etc. I did lose my data every
>> time. But I think out of the five failures, four were disk related (damn
>> Deathstars). It didn't hurt too much, since all my data is stored on a
>> server anyway and I always made sure I had good backups. Regarding the
>> HD's. Are the 10k RPM Raptors still any good? I am doing a lot of
>> editing these days, so a couple of RAIDed fast drives would be ideal.
>> Which drives are native SATA these days?
>>
>
>

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Jerry Polyak wrote:
|
<snip>
|
There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
|

Hi Jerry -

Sure there are.

See:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827131329

Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
Jef

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"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
> |
> <snip>
> |
> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
> |
>
> Hi Jerry -
>
> Sure there are.
>
> See:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827131329
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>

See, this is the kind of info I am looking for. What else you got?

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"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
> |
> <snip>
> |
> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
> |
>
> Hi Jerry -
>
> Sure there are.
>
> See:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827131329
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>

What is the difference between the Pentium D 820 Smithfield LGA775 non BTX
and BTX version? Anyone?

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Yes, and Plextor now makes a faster model, too. The 716SA.

Regards,

Margaret


"Bird Janitor" <jefn_LurkingRatInDaHood_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
> |
> <snip>
> |
> There is still no SATA optical drives, right?
> |
>
> Hi Jerry -
>
> Sure there are.
>
> See:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827131329
>
> Lurking Rat in 'Da Hood® -
> Jef
>
>

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Jerry Polyak wrote:

> Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but
> not a necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb
> of RAM. The price needs to be reasonable, so please don't
> tell me to get the P4E chips.

How about a Pentium M? Asus makes an adapter to run it on
some of their boards. Anandtech and Tom's both did a review.
And here is a link to one of those "web fora:"

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] hp?t=62366

The 730 is a 1.6 GHz chip. It's $200, but with an easy 800 MHz+
overclock, it will show-up a lot of more expensive space heaters.

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"Fishface" <invalid@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
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> Jerry Polyak wrote:
>
> > Here are my requirements: Intel Chip, Decent overclock (but
> > not a necessity), SATA drives (possibly RAIDed), 1 or 2 Gb
> > of RAM. The price needs to be reasonable, so please don't
> > tell me to get the P4E chips.
>
> How about a Pentium M? Asus makes an adapter to run it on
> some of their boards. Anandtech and Tom's both did a review.
> And here is a link to one of those "web fora:"
>
> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] hp?t=62366
>
> The 730 is a 1.6 GHz chip. It's $200, but with an easy 800 MHz+
> overclock, it will show-up a lot of more expensive space heaters.
>
>

I'd prefer to stay with Abit. Personal preference and good track record.