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Well, this topic has been brought up again and again in general - but
here is a specific question....

I'm using a Netgear wireless router... I used to be able to stream
Realaudio from the web without any problem...

Now, I got a D-Link VoIP box connected to the Internet and then the
Netgear router connected to it... I can stream Windows Media - but not
Realaudio...

I thought that it was a double NAT problem... I turned off DHCP on the
W-Router and gave the W-Router an IP in the same subnet as the VoIP
box (but above it's DHCP range)...and connected the two via LAN ports
with a crossover cable. The W-router should now be acting as a plain
switch...

I even turned off the 'automatically connect to Internet' and the
firewall... still nothing... (After allowing the PocketPC to
get VoIP box's DHCP server info...

So, now I'm at the conclusion that it wasn't the double NAT/DHCP...
but it's the D-Link VoIP box which isn't allowing the RealAudio to
play... I hear that different people have differnet luck with
different routers... Anyone have any idea if there is a setting I
could change on the VoIP box to allow the Realaudio through?
RealPlayer gets to the "Loading" stage and then times out...

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Can you give you link so others can try it. I've never had a nat streaming
problem with real on the ppc and I've used a few different routers.

--
Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)

The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...



"Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7d7dc078.0406052025.b775736@posting.google.com...
> Well, this topic has been brought up again and again in general - but
> here is a specific question....
>
> I'm using a Netgear wireless router... I used to be able to stream
> Realaudio from the web without any problem...
>
> Now, I got a D-Link VoIP box connected to the Internet and then the
> Netgear router connected to it... I can stream Windows Media - but not
> Realaudio...
>
> I thought that it was a double NAT problem... I turned off DHCP on the
> W-Router and gave the W-Router an IP in the same subnet as the VoIP
> box (but above it's DHCP range)...and connected the two via LAN ports
> with a crossover cable. The W-router should now be acting as a plain
> switch...
>
> I even turned off the 'automatically connect to Internet' and the
> firewall... still nothing... (After allowing the PocketPC to
> get VoIP box's DHCP server info...
>
> So, now I'm at the conclusion that it wasn't the double NAT/DHCP...
> but it's the D-Link VoIP box which isn't allowing the RealAudio to
> play... I hear that different people have differnet luck with
> different routers... Anyone have any idea if there is a setting I
> could change on the VoIP box to allow the Realaudio through?
> RealPlayer gets to the "Loading" stage and then times out...

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I've tried a few URLs with the same results. Others have posted that
there's a 'known issue with NAT' and the PPC RealAudio... but I know
that it works with my Netgear W-router. I emailed D-link and Real...
I'll see if they come up with it...

Anyhow, I don't want to post the URLs here, as I don't know if virii
will pick up the addresses... Can I email directly? Do I just remove
the "nospam?"

Thanks

"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<O7mLQPITEHA.2504@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...
> Can you give you link so others can try it. I've never had a nat streaming
> problem with real on the ppc and I've used a few different routers.
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7d7dc078.0406052025.b775736@posting.google.com...
> > Well, this topic has been brought up again and again in general - but
> > here is a specific question....
> >
> > I'm using a Netgear wireless router... I used to be able to stream
> > Realaudio from the web without any problem...
> >
> > Now, I got a D-Link VoIP box connected to the Internet and then the
> > Netgear router connected to it... I can stream Windows Media - but not
> > Realaudio...
> >
> > I thought that it was a double NAT problem... I turned off DHCP on the
> > W-Router and gave the W-Router an IP in the same subnet as the VoIP
> > box (but above it's DHCP range)...and connected the two via LAN ports
> > with a crossover cable. The W-router should now be acting as a plain
> > switch...
> >
> > I even turned off the 'automatically connect to Internet' and the
> > firewall... still nothing... (After allowing the PocketPC to
> > get VoIP box's DHCP server info...
> >
> > So, now I'm at the conclusion that it wasn't the double NAT/DHCP...
> > but it's the D-Link VoIP box which isn't allowing the RealAudio to
> > play... I hear that different people have differnet luck with
> > different routers... Anyone have any idea if there is a setting I
> > could change on the VoIP box to allow the Realaudio through?
> > RealPlayer gets to the "Loading" stage and then times out...

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Yes that'll be fine, just remove the nospam.

--
Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)

The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...



"Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7d7dc078.0406071436.4ac463e1@posting.google.com...
> I've tried a few URLs with the same results. Others have posted that
> there's a 'known issue with NAT' and the PPC RealAudio... but I know
> that it works with my Netgear W-router. I emailed D-link and Real...
> I'll see if they come up with it...
>
> Anyhow, I don't want to post the URLs here, as I don't know if virii
> will pick up the addresses... Can I email directly? Do I just remove
> the "nospam?"
>
> Thanks
>
> "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> wrote in message news:<O7mLQPITEHA.2504@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...
>> Can you give you link so others can try it. I've never had a nat
>> streaming
>> problem with real on the ppc and I've used a few different routers.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>>
>> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7d7dc078.0406052025.b775736@posting.google.com...
>> > Well, this topic has been brought up again and again in general - but
>> > here is a specific question....
>> >
>> > I'm using a Netgear wireless router... I used to be able to stream
>> > Realaudio from the web without any problem...
>> >
>> > Now, I got a D-Link VoIP box connected to the Internet and then the
>> > Netgear router connected to it... I can stream Windows Media - but not
>> > Realaudio...
>> >
>> > I thought that it was a double NAT problem... I turned off DHCP on the
>> > W-Router and gave the W-Router an IP in the same subnet as the VoIP
>> > box (but above it's DHCP range)...and connected the two via LAN ports
>> > with a crossover cable. The W-router should now be acting as a plain
>> > switch...
>> >
>> > I even turned off the 'automatically connect to Internet' and the
>> > firewall... still nothing... (After allowing the PocketPC to
>> > get VoIP box's DHCP server info...
>> >
>> > So, now I'm at the conclusion that it wasn't the double NAT/DHCP...
>> > but it's the D-Link VoIP box which isn't allowing the RealAudio to
>> > play... I hear that different people have differnet luck with
>> > different routers... Anyone have any idea if there is a setting I
>> > could change on the VoIP box to allow the Realaudio through?
>> > RealPlayer gets to the "Loading" stage and then times out...

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Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?

Thanks


"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ebg89YOTEHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> Yes that'll be fine, just remove the nospam.
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7d7dc078.0406071436.4ac463e1@posting.google.com...
> > I've tried a few URLs with the same results. Others have posted that
> > there's a 'known issue with NAT' and the PPC RealAudio... but I know
> > that it works with my Netgear W-router. I emailed D-link and Real...
> > I'll see if they come up with it...
> >
> > Anyhow, I don't want to post the URLs here, as I don't know if virii
> > will pick up the addresses... Can I email directly? Do I just remove
> > the "nospam?"
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> > wrote in message news:<O7mLQPITEHA.2504@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...
> >> Can you give you link so others can try it. I've never had a nat
> >> streaming
> >> problem with real on the ppc and I've used a few different routers.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> >>
> >> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7d7dc078.0406052025.b775736@posting.google.com...
> >> > Well, this topic has been brought up again and again in general - but
> >> > here is a specific question....
> >> >
> >> > I'm using a Netgear wireless router... I used to be able to stream
> >> > Realaudio from the web without any problem...
> >> >
> >> > Now, I got a D-Link VoIP box connected to the Internet and then the
> >> > Netgear router connected to it... I can stream Windows Media - but not
> >> > Realaudio...
> >> >
> >> > I thought that it was a double NAT problem... I turned off DHCP on the
> >> > W-Router and gave the W-Router an IP in the same subnet as the VoIP
> >> > box (but above it's DHCP range)...and connected the two via LAN ports
> >> > with a crossover cable. The W-router should now be acting as a plain
> >> > switch...
> >> >
> >> > I even turned off the 'automatically connect to Internet' and the
> >> > firewall... still nothing... (After allowing the PocketPC to
> >> > get VoIP box's DHCP server info...
> >> >
> >> > So, now I'm at the conclusion that it wasn't the double NAT/DHCP...
> >> > but it's the D-Link VoIP box which isn't allowing the RealAudio to
> >> > play... I hear that different people have differnet luck with
> >> > different routers... Anyone have any idea if there is a setting I
> >> > could change on the VoIP box to allow the Realaudio through?
> >> > RealPlayer gets to the "Loading" stage and then times out...

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That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you and works
for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did my
tests on 1.1

--
Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)

The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...



"Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
> Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
> just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
>
> Thanks
>
" stage and then times out...

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1.1 for me too...

"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<uCRCyobTEHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you and works
> for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did my
> tests on 1.1
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
> > Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
> > just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> " stage and then times out...

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The first response to my email to Real (a 3rd party replies) was:

"Thank you for contacting RealNetworks Technical Support.

From your mail I understand that you are experiencing trouble while
streaming clips using RealPlayer.

Kindly note that RealPlayer uses UDP, TCP/IP ports and http, ports.
RealPlayer cannot stream if these ports are blocked.

In order configure the Netgear router kindly contact Netgear Technical
support."

I replied, re-stating that it works with RealPlayer on the PC,
but not on the PPC. I then asked if knowing that fact would
help narrow down what the issue is. FYI - I looked at the port that my
PC was using (incoming) and then did a single port scan from my PPC.
It said that the port is open.



danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message news:<7d7dc078.0406090158.449e1007@posting.google.com>...
> 1.1 for me too...
>
> "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<uCRCyobTEHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> > That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you and works
> > for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did my
> > tests on 1.1
> >
> > --
> > Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> >
> > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights...
> >
> >
> >
> > "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
> > > Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
> > > just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > " stage and then times out...

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I also tried fiddling with MTU settings on the PPC (I don't see any
settings on the VoIP router.. I see that the W-Router had 1500) to no
avail.

I tried 'port forwarding' on the port that was being used with the
PC RealPlayer.. but if that was the issue, it wouldn't work on the
PC either. I can't do ranges of port forwarding - so I did a few ports
in the RealPlayer range, to no avail.... Unless the PPC version
specifies different ports than the PC version, it can't be a port
blocking issue.
I don't know who requests the port with RealPlayer.

I see old threads were people just gave up... It's annoying that,
all other things the same, one router works another doesn't...
I looked at Ethernet tracing on the VoIP router... nothing that struck
me..


danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message news:<7d7dc078.0406090158.449e1007@posting.google.com>...
> 1.1 for me too...
>
> "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<uCRCyobTEHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> > That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you and works
> > for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did my
> > tests on 1.1
> >
> > --
> > Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> >
> > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights...
> >
> >
> >
> > "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
> > > Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
> > > just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > " stage and then times out...

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Eric,
Is there a program - for the PPC- which can display which ports are
currently in use? On my PC, I can see which ports RealPlayer is using
via my firewall software... I'd like to see -- on a WORKING PPC
connection, which ports are being used, so that I can try to do port
forwarding for those ports with the 'bad' router.

If you don't mind, could you try it on your side?

Thanks!


danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message news:<7d7dc078.0406091929.5ebf42d6@posting.google.com>...
> I also tried fiddling with MTU settings on the PPC (I don't see any
> settings on the VoIP router.. I see that the W-Router had 1500) to no
> avail.
>
> I tried 'port forwarding' on the port that was being used with the
> PC RealPlayer.. but if that was the issue, it wouldn't work on the
> PC either. I can't do ranges of port forwarding - so I did a few ports
> in the RealPlayer range, to no avail.... Unless the PPC version
> specifies different ports than the PC version, it can't be a port
> blocking issue.
> I don't know who requests the port with RealPlayer.
>
> I see old threads were people just gave up... It's annoying that,
> all other things the same, one router works another doesn't...
> I looked at Ethernet tracing on the VoIP router... nothing that struck
> me..
>
>
> danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message news:<7d7dc078.0406090158.449e1007@posting.google.com>...
> > 1.1 for me too...
> >
> > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<uCRCyobTEHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> > > That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you and works
> > > for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did my
> > > tests on 1.1
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> > >
> > > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > rights...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
> > > > Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
> > > > just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> " stage and then times out...

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OK... Good news and bad news...

I installed a packet sniffer on my PPC and ran the same RealAudio
stream from both the good router and bad router... and then
compared notes....

Most of the control is done in TCP - with ports that seem to be
open... A few UDP packets.. also go through.
The setup 'text' looks the same (besides some 'unique key' type
fields).

Everything is good... until a couple of packets after the one which
contains the following:
Transport: x-real-rdt/udp;client_port=27996;server_port=22120

That is the client<>server mapping for the audio itself.

A packet gets sent out of my PPC at port 27996 and no response
from 22120... I tried doing a port scan of the port... no response.

I see a few retries and then a "TEARDOWN" message (it's given up
trying).

So, it seems that the router is blocking that port... Well,
I run a few more tests, to the same website... The port
changes each time... seems to always be in the 2xxxx range when
I tried.

(Again, all this is ok on Netgear, blocked by D-Link)

I still don't get why the PC version works fine... I think I'll
have to run a packet sniffer there and see what range ports I get
there.

Anyhow, the PocketPC client does advertise itself
as being pocketpc to the server, so it is CONCEIVABLE that different
port ranges are used for the PocketPC than for the PC...
and that it why the default router config doesn't include these ports
(but netgear does).

ClientID: RealOnePlayer_2.0.0_May 23 2002 20:48:45_wince_pocketpc_arm
(The version I'm using is version 1.1 from their website.)

===========
But, the RealPlayer 10 website does include this range in the client
for the PC (I haven't found a Mobile player equivelant list) -
Maybe I've just been lucky!

By default, the RealPlayer 10 uses the following ports to connect:

- TCP 80, 554, 4040, 7070, 8080, 443 (SSL for sign-in), 1755 (MMS
Windows Media requests)
- UDP 6970-32,000, 1755 (MMS Windows Media resend requests)
- HTTP 80 (AU, Messaging Service, and HTTP Cloaking)
===============


So, you would say 'just open up/forward' those ports... Well, again,
the actual port changes each time AND my VoIP router does not support
port ranges... AND only supports forwarding 6 ports! D-Link
took down that issue and said I should keep an eye on firmware changes
in the future...


Any decent free PPC / PPC packet sniffers around? I'm currently using
a PPC demo.



Thanks


danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message news:<7d7dc078.0406091929.5ebf42d6@posting.google.com>...
> I also tried fiddling with MTU settings on the PPC (I don't see any
> settings on the VoIP router.. I see that the W-Router had 1500) to no
> avail.
>
> I tried 'port forwarding' on the port that was being used with the
> PC RealPlayer.. but if that was the issue, it wouldn't work on the
> PC either. I can't do ranges of port forwarding - so I did a few ports
> in the RealPlayer range, to no avail.... Unless the PPC version
> specifies different ports than the PC version, it can't be a port
> blocking issue.
> I don't know who requests the port with RealPlayer.
>
> I see old threads were people just gave up... It's annoying that,
> all other things the same, one router works another doesn't...
> I looked at Ethernet tracing on the VoIP router... nothing that struck
> me..
>
>
> danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message news:<7d7dc078.0406090158.449e1007@posting.google.com>...
> > 1.1 for me too...
> >
> > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<uCRCyobTEHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> > > That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you and works
> > > for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did my
> > > tests on 1.1
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
> > >
> > > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > > rights...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
> > > > Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
> > > > just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > " stage and then times out...

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I'll have to dig around and find a sniffer program for the ppc that I could
try. I had one for ppc 2002 but it doesn't work for windows mobile 2003.

--
Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)

The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...



"Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7d7dc078.0406101715.12468aba@posting.google.com...
> Eric,
> Is there a program - for the PPC- which can display which ports are
> currently in use? On my PC, I can see which ports RealPlayer is using
> via my firewall software... I'd like to see -- on a WORKING PPC
> connection, which ports are being used, so that I can try to do port
> forwarding for those ports with the 'bad' router.
>
> If you don't mind, could you try it on your side?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message
> news:<7d7dc078.0406091929.5ebf42d6@posting.google.com>...
>> I also tried fiddling with MTU settings on the PPC (I don't see any
>> settings on the VoIP router.. I see that the W-Router had 1500) to no
>> avail.
>>
>> I tried 'port forwarding' on the port that was being used with the
>> PC RealPlayer.. but if that was the issue, it wouldn't work on the
>> PC either. I can't do ranges of port forwarding - so I did a few ports
>> in the RealPlayer range, to no avail.... Unless the PPC version
>> specifies different ports than the PC version, it can't be a port
>> blocking issue.
>> I don't know who requests the port with RealPlayer.
>>
>> I see old threads were people just gave up... It's annoying that,
>> all other things the same, one router works another doesn't...
>> I looked at Ethernet tracing on the VoIP router... nothing that struck
>> me..
>>
>>
>> danr_18@yahoo.com (Daniel Rosenzweig) wrote in message
>> news:<7d7dc078.0406090158.449e1007@posting.google.com>...
>> > 1.1 for me too...
>> >
>> > "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
>> > wrote in message news:<uCRCyobTEHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
>> > > That's a good question, I'm not sure why it's not working for you
>> > > and works
>> > > for me. Which version of realplayer are you using 1.0 or 1.1? I did
>> > > my
>> > > tests on 1.1
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>> > >
>> > > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> > > rights...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Daniel Rosenzweig" <danr_18@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:7d7dc078.0406081610.4d7fb047@posting.google.com...
>> > > > Now that I know it works for you -- as well as it works for me if I
>> > > > just have the Netgear router.... where do we go from here?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> " stage and then times out...