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Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in the
history of the world. He has drive the economy right into the ditch. And why you
ask would our fearless president do this? He did it so he could give 30% of his
tax cuts to millionaires making 1.2 million per year, or $576 per hour in terms
normal people can understand. Of the current $422+ billion dollar deficit, $270
billion is specifically because of Bush tax cuts. 30%, or $81 Billion of this
went to millionaires. So we are in essence borrowing money -- that our
grandchildren will have to pay back -- to finance tax kickbacks to millionaires!

So while high energy and health care costs are killing lower and middle class
Americans, Bush chose to borrow $81 billion dollars to give to millionaires
making $576 per hour. Can you imagine making that kind of money? You could work
four hours and you have your house mortgage and car payment taken care of!! I'm
really glad Bush chose to borrow our money to help these people. These
millionaires were hurting big time!

When GW Bush was elected 3 1/2 years ago, the projected 10 year "surplus" was
predicted to be 4 or 5 trillion dollars (That's right, SURPLUS.) The prediction
right now is for a "deficit" of over 2 trillion dollars 10 years from now. Here
is the scary part. If Bush's tax cuts, which predominantly go to the super rich,
are made permanent, the projected 10 year deficit is almost 5 trillion dollars.

So this is a potential 10 trillion dollar negative swing with Bush in office!
This idiot has driven the country right into a ditch, and in the process he is
siphoning money from the middle and lower class to the ultra rich. If this
continues, the only way the country will be able to keep it's head above water
is to cuts all the safety nets of the middle and lower class, which is social
security and Medicare.

30% of the Bush tax cuts went to the upper 1%. This is actually better than it
could have been. If all of Bush's tax cuts had been enacted as he wanted, fully
45% of his tax cuts would have gone to the super wealthy.

We are going into deep debt, borrowing money to finance tax cuts for
millionaires. And these millionaires are rewarding us by sending money to tax
free accounts in the Cayman Islands and shipping decent paying manufacturing
jobs to China and decent paying IT jobs to India.

Bush and Cheney are practicing bait and switch on a massive scale

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinio [...] 34;...anew
report from the Congressional Budget Office projects a $422-billiondeficitthis
year and $2.3 trillion over the next decade, even if the currenttax
cuts,technically set to expire over the next few years, are not extended.If they
are,it projects a tab of $4.5 trillion. The $2.3 trillion is alreadyhigher than
theoffice's previous estimate in March because of increasedspending by
Congress,which is stuck with paying for, among other things,prolonged wars in
Iraq andAfghanistan. In other words, this deficit, unlikeprevious ones, is not a
blip,but a.....Even the CBO's $4.5-trillion deficit over 10 years is almost
surelytoooptimistic - it's based on the assumption that funding for
domesticprogramswill not rise faster than inflation and not keep pace with
populationgrowth."

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"K Kesey McMurphy" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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> Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in the
> history of the world. He has drive the economy right into the ditch. And
> why you ask would our fearless president do this? He did it so he could
> give 30% of his tax cuts to millionaires making 1.2 million per year, or
> $576 per hour in terms normal people can understand. Of the current $422+
> billion dollar deficit, $270 billion is specifically because of Bush tax
> cuts. 30%, or $81 Billion of this went to millionaires. So we are in
> essence borrowing money -- that our grandchildren will have to pay back --
> to finance tax kickbacks to millionaires!
>
> So while high energy and health care costs are killing lower and middle
> class Americans, Bush chose to borrow $81 billion dollars to give to
> millionaires making $576 per hour. Can you imagine making that kind of
> money? You could work four hours and you have your house mortgage and car
> payment taken care of!! I'm really glad Bush chose to borrow our money to
> help these people. These millionaires were hurting big time!
>
> When GW Bush was elected 3 1/2 years ago, the projected 10 year "surplus"
> was predicted to be 4 or 5 trillion dollars (That's right, SURPLUS.) The
> prediction right now is for a "deficit" of over 2 trillion dollars 10
> years from now. Here is the scary part. If Bush's tax cuts, which
> predominantly go to the super rich, are made permanent, the projected 10
> year deficit is almost 5 trillion dollars.
>
> So this is a potential 10 trillion dollar negative swing with Bush in
> office! This idiot has driven the country right into a ditch, and in the
> process he is siphoning money from the middle and lower class to the ultra
> rich. If this continues, the only way the country will be able to keep
> it's head above water is to cuts all the safety nets of the middle and
> lower class, which is social security and Medicare.

As usual, you are not telling the whole story. - If you take a careful look
at the form 1040 tax tables, you will see that the, "rich" people are paying
more than their fair share of the nations tax burden. This has been true all
of my adult life. (I am 69 years old) All Bush's tax cuts for the upper
income group did was to partly alleviate this inequity. The higher income
group still pay much more than their fair share. They don't use up any more
of the nations police, fire, and military services than does anyone else,
but they pay through the nose for it. Most of them got rich by risking their
money to go into business, and the businesses they started create most of
the nations jobs. If everyone were to just work for someone else, and never
take a chance, this country would have died a long time ago.

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"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "K Kesey McMurphy" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:FIadnY2x_8EydmzcRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> > Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in
the
> > history of the world. He has drive the economy right into the ditch. And
> > why you ask would our fearless president do this? He did it so he could
> > give 30% of his tax cuts to millionaires making 1.2 million per year, or
> > $576 per hour in terms normal people can understand. Of the current
$422+
> > billion dollar deficit, $270 billion is specifically because of Bush tax
> > cuts. 30%, or $81 Billion of this went to millionaires. So we are in
> > essence borrowing money -- that our grandchildren will have to pay
back --
> > to finance tax kickbacks to millionaires!
> >
> > So while high energy and health care costs are killing lower and middle
> > class Americans, Bush chose to borrow $81 billion dollars to give to
> > millionaires making $576 per hour. Can you imagine making that kind of
> > money? You could work four hours and you have your house mortgage and
car
> > payment taken care of!! I'm really glad Bush chose to borrow our money
to
> > help these people. These millionaires were hurting big time!
> >
> > When GW Bush was elected 3 1/2 years ago, the projected 10 year
"surplus"
> > was predicted to be 4 or 5 trillion dollars (That's right, SURPLUS.) The
> > prediction right now is for a "deficit" of over 2 trillion dollars 10
> > years from now. Here is the scary part. If Bush's tax cuts, which
> > predominantly go to the super rich, are made permanent, the projected 10
> > year deficit is almost 5 trillion dollars.
> >
> > So this is a potential 10 trillion dollar negative swing with Bush in
> > office! This idiot has driven the country right into a ditch, and in the
> > process he is siphoning money from the middle and lower class to the
ultra
> > rich. If this continues, the only way the country will be able to keep
> > it's head above water is to cuts all the safety nets of the middle and
> > lower class, which is social security and Medicare.
>
> As usual, you are not telling the whole story. - If you take a careful
look
> at the form 1040 tax tables, you will see that the, "rich" people are
paying
> more than their fair share of the nations tax burden. This has been true
all
> of my adult life. (I am 69 years old) All Bush's tax cuts for the upper
> income group did was to partly alleviate this inequity. The higher income
> group still pay much more than their fair share. They don't use up any
more
> of the nations police, fire, and military services than does anyone else,
> but they pay through the nose for it. Most of them got rich by risking
their
> money to go into business, and the businesses they started create most of
> the nations jobs. If everyone were to just work for someone else, and
never
> take a chance, this country would have died a long time ago.
>
Billy. What do you consider to be a fair share? Someone making $20,000 a
year and paying half in taxes? That's what we have today. I'm not just
talking about just income taxes but payroll taxes, sales taxes, real estate
taxes. It is the middle and lower classes who are paying MORE than their
fair share. Also, this myth you hold dear about people risking their money
to form businesses...Those people did not do so in a vaccuum. They depended
on services provided by the government (roads and other infrastructure,
railroad system, telephone system) all of which were paid for by tax
dollars. So anyone who profits from the system should pay back into the
system. That's fair.

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"Daniel Green" <Dgreeny_111@prodigy.com> wrote in message
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>
> "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:MdKdnSfCxLFuZmzcRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>>
>> "K Kesey McMurphy" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:FIadnY2x_8EydmzcRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>> > Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in
> the
>> > history of the world. He has drive the economy right into the ditch.
>> > And
>> > why you ask would our fearless president do this? He did it so he could
>> > give 30% of his tax cuts to millionaires making 1.2 million per year,
>> > or
>> > $576 per hour in terms normal people can understand. Of the current
> $422+
>> > billion dollar deficit, $270 billion is specifically because of Bush
>> > tax
>> > cuts. 30%, or $81 Billion of this went to millionaires. So we are in
>> > essence borrowing money -- that our grandchildren will have to pay
> back --
>> > to finance tax kickbacks to millionaires!
>> >
>> > So while high energy and health care costs are killing lower and middle
>> > class Americans, Bush chose to borrow $81 billion dollars to give to
>> > millionaires making $576 per hour. Can you imagine making that kind of
>> > money? You could work four hours and you have your house mortgage and
> car
>> > payment taken care of!! I'm really glad Bush chose to borrow our money
> to
>> > help these people. These millionaires were hurting big time!
>> >
>> > When GW Bush was elected 3 1/2 years ago, the projected 10 year
> "surplus"
>> > was predicted to be 4 or 5 trillion dollars (That's right, SURPLUS.)
>> > The
>> > prediction right now is for a "deficit" of over 2 trillion dollars 10
>> > years from now. Here is the scary part. If Bush's tax cuts, which
>> > predominantly go to the super rich, are made permanent, the projected
>> > 10
>> > year deficit is almost 5 trillion dollars.
>> >
>> > So this is a potential 10 trillion dollar negative swing with Bush in
>> > office! This idiot has driven the country right into a ditch, and in
>> > the
>> > process he is siphoning money from the middle and lower class to the
> ultra
>> > rich. If this continues, the only way the country will be able to keep
>> > it's head above water is to cuts all the safety nets of the middle and
>> > lower class, which is social security and Medicare.
>>
>> As usual, you are not telling the whole story. - If you take a careful
> look
>> at the form 1040 tax tables, you will see that the, "rich" people are
> paying
>> more than their fair share of the nations tax burden. This has been true
> all
>> of my adult life. (I am 69 years old) All Bush's tax cuts for the upper
>> income group did was to partly alleviate this inequity. The higher income
>> group still pay much more than their fair share. They don't use up any
> more
>> of the nations police, fire, and military services than does anyone else,
>> but they pay through the nose for it. Most of them got rich by risking
> their
>> money to go into business, and the businesses they started create most of
>> the nations jobs. If everyone were to just work for someone else, and
> never
>> take a chance, this country would have died a long time ago.
>>
> Billy. What do you consider to be a fair share? Someone making $20,000 a
> year and paying half in taxes? That's what we have today. I'm not just
> talking about just income taxes but payroll taxes, sales taxes, real
> estate
> taxes. It is the middle and lower classes who are paying MORE than their
> fair share. Also, this myth you hold dear about people risking their money
> to form businesses...Those people did not do so in a vaccuum. They
> depended
> on services provided by the government (roads and other infrastructure,
> railroad system, telephone system) all of which were paid for by tax
> dollars. So anyone who profits from the system should pay back into the
> system. That's fair.
>
I would be a lot more sympathetic to your position if I wasn't paying double
taxes on my corporate income. But that's exactly what the dividend taxes
amount to. Also, when I die, the government will get a portion of my estate
before it gets distributed to my kids. This is money that has already been
taxed once, so it also constitutes double taxation. It won't affect me and
my kids very much, because I am not that rich. But for those with estates
that are significantly over a million dollars, it can be quite a bite. The
point is, there is no justification for taxing anyone twice. It's like if
you had to pay taxes on your income, and then, when you gave some of it to
your wife to buy groceries with, she had to pay taxes on it again. You
wouldn't like that would you? - Well, that's the way I feel when the
corporations I own pay income taxes, and then when they distribute what's
left over to me, I have to pay taxes on it again. the only thing that has
happened to that money is it has been moved from the companies account to
mine. Also, when I saved for my retirement, my kids went without some things
because our spendable income was a little less. (about 10%) Now, when I die,
those kids should get that money, because they were deprived of it when I
first saved it. Their peers got more things than they got, because their
fathers didn't save a dime. Now, when their fathers are, "poor", (compared
with me) the government hits my estate up for taxes again on that money. It
should go to my kids, who didn't get to spend it the first time around. In
many ways we, "rich" get screwed by the system, and the liberal Bush bashers
just sweep that under the rug. I am damn tired of the liberal robin hood
give away programs. It is very easy for the government to spend my money on
anything and everything that they think will buy them more votes. It is like
a breath of fresh air to get someone like G. Bush in office every 20 years
or so, who will help to slow down the drain on my pocketbook a little bit. I
made my money by saving it straight from a standard, average engineers
salery. I didn't steal it from anybody. Anyone I worked with could have done
the same thing that I did, but they spent their money like there was no
tomorrow. Now, I just want the government to leave me alone and let me enjoy
my retirement without having to pay for all those hangers on. - Is that too
much to ask?

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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:59:18 -0800, "K Kesey McMurphy"
<nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote:

>Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in the
>history of the world.

Seems only right that he should do that, after all, he screwed up
every other company he ran.......


Pete S.

www.derwentelec.clara.co.uk

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What does this have to do with photography, video or woodworking?

"K Kesey McMurphy" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:FIadnY2x_8EydmzcRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in the
> history of the world. He has drive the economy right into the ditch. And
why you
> ask would our fearless president do this? He did it so he could give 30%
of his
> tax cuts to millionaires making 1.2 million per year, or $576 per hour in
terms
> normal people can understand. Of the current $422+ billion dollar deficit,
$270
> billion is specifically because of Bush tax cuts. 30%, or $81 Billion of
this
> went to millionaires. So we are in essence borrowing money -- that our
> grandchildren will have to pay back -- to finance tax kickbacks to
millionaires!
>

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On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:59:18 -0800) it happened "K Kesey
McMurphy" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in
<FIadnY2x_8EydmzcRVn-qw@comcast.com>:
inflation will bail him out.
When the US dollar goes to 0 Euro, he has no debt at all :-)

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Those 10 year surplus projections from early 2001 weren't worth the
paper they were printed on. It is simply too complicated a problem to
correctly forecast the fiscal situation more than 6 months down the
road, and even that is usually wrong, often by a substantial amount.
This is not a partisan statement, it is just a fact of reality.

People who think there was some $6 trillion surplus out there which
Bush magically squandered really don't have a clue. Congress would
have spent EVERY SINGLE PENNY of that surplus on useless government
programs. Believing otherwise is delusional.

Personally, I really don't care if Democrats spend the next 4 years
beating up on Bush. He is not running again, so it doesn't matter,
other than making Democrats look like spoiled children who aren't
getting their way.

Here is a suggestion to Democrats if they want to regain politcal
relevance. Think of some policies that don't involve higher taxes or
bigger government. You are smart people, I am sure you could do it if
you tried.

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In article <1106407395.423274.199300@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
sorry_no_email@yahoo.com says...
> Subject: Re: Deficit, minus $10 trillion swing under Bush
> From: "BrianEWilliams" <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa, rec.photo.digital, rec.video.desktop, alt.woodworking, rec.photo.equipment.35mm
>
> Those 10 year surplus projections from early 2001 weren't worth the
> paper they were printed on. It is simply too complicated a problem to
> correctly forecast the fiscal situation more than 6 months down the
> road, and even that is usually wrong, often by a substantial amount.
> This is not a partisan statement, it is just a fact of reality.
>
> People who think there was some $6 trillion surplus out there which
> Bush magically squandered really don't have a clue. Congress would
> have spent EVERY SINGLE PENNY of that surplus on useless government
> programs. Believing otherwise is delusional.
>
> Personally, I really don't care if Democrats spend the next 4 years
> beating up on Bush. He is not running again, so it doesn't matter,
> other than making Democrats look like spoiled children who aren't
> getting their way.
>
> Here is a suggestion to Democrats if they want to regain politcal
> relevance. Think of some policies that don't involve higher taxes or
> bigger government. You are smart people, I am sure you could do it if
> you tried.
>
>


All they have to do to win next time is crawl father to the right than
the Republicans. Then they might be called neo-replublicans, or
communists by the actual republicans, but evangelicals will probably
vote for them and aparently that is the only vote you really need in the
USA.

--
_________________________
Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
http://www.ramsays-online.com

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It's too bad Bush didn't spend some of that money on a cure for stupid
people who post their political tantrums on a site devoted to digital
photography.
Dennis D. Carter

"K Kesey McMurphy" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:FIadnY2x_8EydmzcRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> Yes, President Bush has turned the US into the worst debtor nation in the
> history of the world. He has drive the economy right into the ditch. And
> why you ask would our fearless president do this? He did it so he could
> give 30% of his tax cuts to millionaires making 1.2 million per year, or
> $576 per hour in terms normal people can understand. Of the current $422+
> billion dollar deficit, $270 billion is specifically because of Bush tax
> cuts. 30%, or $81 Billion of this went to millionaires. So we are in
> essence borrowing money -- that our grandchildren will have to pay back --
> to finance tax kickbacks to millionaires!
>
> So while high energy and health care costs are killing lower and middle
> class Americans, Bush chose to borrow $81 billion dollars to give to
> millionaires making $576 per hour. Can you imagine making that kind of
> money? You could work four hours and you have your house mortgage and car
> payment taken care of!! I'm really glad Bush chose to borrow our money to
> help these people. These millionaires were hurting big time!
>
> When GW Bush was elected 3 1/2 years ago, the projected 10 year "surplus"
> was predicted to be 4 or 5 trillion dollars (That's right, SURPLUS.) The
> prediction right now is for a "deficit" of over 2 trillion dollars 10
> years from now. Here is the scary part. If Bush's tax cuts, which
> predominantly go to the super rich, are made permanent, the projected 10
> year deficit is almost 5 trillion dollars.
>
> So this is a potential 10 trillion dollar negative swing with Bush in
> office! This idiot has driven the country right into a ditch, and in the
> process he is siphoning money from the middle and lower class to the ultra
> rich. If this continues, the only way the country will be able to keep
> it's head above water is to cuts all the safety nets of the middle and
> lower class, which is social security and Medicare.
>
> 30% of the Bush tax cuts went to the upper 1%. This is actually better
> than it could have been. If all of Bush's tax cuts had been enacted as he
> wanted, fully 45% of his tax cuts would have gone to the super wealthy.
>
> We are going into deep debt, borrowing money to finance tax cuts for
> millionaires. And these millionaires are rewarding us by sending money to
> tax free accounts in the Cayman Islands and shipping decent paying
> manufacturing jobs to China and decent paying IT jobs to India.
>
> Bush and Cheney are practicing bait and switch on a massive scale
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinio [...] 34;...anew
> report from the Congressional Budget Office projects a
> $422-billiondeficitthis year and $2.3 trillion over the next decade, even
> if the currenttax cuts,technically set to expire over the next few years,
> are not extended.If they are,it projects a tab of $4.5 trillion. The $2.3
> trillion is alreadyhigher than theoffice's previous estimate in March
> because of increasedspending by Congress,which is stuck with paying for,
> among other things,prolonged wars in Iraq andAfghanistan. In other words,
> this deficit, unlikeprevious ones, is not a blip,but a.....Even the CBO's
> $4.5-trillion deficit over 10 years is almost surelytoooptimistic - it's
> based on the assumption that funding for domesticprogramswill not rise
> faster than inflation and not keep pace with populationgrowth."
>
>

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BrianEWilliams wrote:
> Those 10 year surplus projections from early 2001 weren't worth the



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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> All they have to do to win next time is crawl father to the right than


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On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:45:28 -0500) it happened Alan Browne-
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in
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YES THAT IS A NICE ONE, SUCH A CHARMING DOG, OR IS IT A TROLL?
I DID NOT KNOW THEY HAD NOSES THAT BIG.
MAYBE IT IS A WART?
DO YOU HAVE MORE ART LIKE THAT FOR REC.VIDEO.DESKTOP? IF SO WHY NOT MAKE
A WEBSITE AND ADD A REAL PICTURE OF GWB ON IT, TO MAKE IT COMPLETE
THANK YOU SO MUCH