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Does any of these things happen yet as ATI said in its press
talk at http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4732.html
?

"Starting this spring, HDTV WONDER will be available as a
bundled purchase with selected ALL-IN-WONDER video cards and
separately on ATI.com followed by broad distribution in
retail stores. Additionally, HDTV WONDER will be offered in
Hy-Tek’s Tekpanel 300HD and the Tekpanel 370HD
(http://www.tekpanel.com), wide-screen all-in-one multimedia
computers for home or office. The Hy-Tek solutions offer
state-of-the-art 30-inch diagonal WXGA TFT/LCD, full-color,
wide screen displays to showcase the digital detail found in
HDTV broadcasts."

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All this about HDTV... by the time its in full bloom the tech will be
old news. ;^o no?
I think its going to be left behind for a better alternative and
'easier / cheaper to implement' technology.
Just seems to be a looonnng time in coming, and didn't HD come out in
ads before 'digital' TV? I sort of
remember it that way. Now digital in many forms is here and HD
broadcasting is barely mentionable.
Or is this considered apples and oranges? Kinda like the PII, seems it
got stampeded over
as the III's weren't that far down the road. If I'm way off, then this
will spark interesting thread I guess.

morning all......


"power" <power@jeffry.com> wrote in message
newsqct6099tatu9sfomti3b54ovcp6tns33t@4ax.com...
> Does any of these things happen yet as ATI said in its press
> talk at http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4732.html
> ?
>
> "Starting this spring, HDTV WONDER will be available as a
> bundled purchase with selected ALL-IN-WONDER video cards and
> separately on ATI.com followed by broad distribution in
> retail stores. Additionally, HDTV WONDER will be offered in
> Hy-Tek's Tekpanel 300HD and the Tekpanel 370HD
> (http://www.tekpanel.com), wide-screen all-in-one multimedia
> computers for home or office. The Hy-Tek solutions offer
> state-of-the-art 30-inch diagonal WXGA TFT/LCD, full-color,
> wide screen displays to showcase the digital detail found in
> HDTV broadcasts."

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"Dr Richard Cranium" <dracman@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:406f446f$0$71107$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
> i think the hdtv implementation is slow because of the installed user base
of crt type
> televisions. Coupled with the reluctance of broadcast TV stations to spend
big $$$ to
> convert their facilities over to hdtv signal broadcasts and losing the
near short term
> profits that allows them to leverage the purchase of the superbowl time
for their station.
>
> i think i read somewhere that the tv stations and comercial industry is
mandated to be
> hdtv by 2005, this edit (law) came about because of the embarassment of
losing the entire
> vcr industry to the most excellent japanese manufacturing cartel. (and
that is another
> story).
>
> IF the US doesn't get off it's proverbial ash and do something about the
slooowwwww hdtv
> switch-over, the hdtv market will be lost to another country, like the
cellular phone
> industry has gone overseas.
>
> and that is enough to piss you off.
>
> ** No Fate **
>
> cheers,
> dracman
> Tomb Raider: Shotgun City
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb.htm
> http://www.smokeypoint.org/traod/traod.html
>
> **savegame editors all versions Tomb Raider & TRAOD godmode
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tr2code.htm
>
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tombrai [...] ctures.htm
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/banshee.html
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb2.htm#Tova
>
> ** GTA III vice City Character MOD
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/uzi.htm#gta3
>
> NFS: drive at the limits of tyre adhesion ! snag Lara's Croftraider IV
sports car ! !
> NFS3:NFS4
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#raider
>
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#blondstranger
> NFS:HS - Reg method to add your d3d card to NFS:HS
> NFS III - Reg method to add your d3d card to NFS:HP
> -=-=-
> Mad Onion - 3DMark 2001 and 3DMark 2001se -
> {not the Pro} 4x4 Missile Launcher Truck Secret Game Demo screen snaps
> (and secret password)
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dmark2001.html
> -=-=-
>
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/glidos.htm
> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#blondstranger
>
>
>
> "JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net> wrote in message
> news:rTCbc.9167$NL4.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> : All this about HDTV... by the time its in full bloom the tech will be
> : old news. ;^o no?
> : I think its going to be left behind for a better alternative and
> : 'easier / cheaper to implement' technology.
> : Just seems to be a looonnng time in coming, and didn't HD come out in
> : ads before 'digital' TV? I sort of
> : remember it that way. Now digital in many forms is here and HD
> : broadcasting is barely mentionable.
> : Or is this considered apples and oranges? Kinda like the PII, seems it
> : got stampeded over
> : as the III's weren't that far down the road. If I'm way off, then this
> : will spark interesting thread I guess.
> :
> : morning all......
> :
> :
> : "power" <power@jeffry.com> wrote in message
> : newsqct6099tatu9sfomti3b54ovcp6tns33t@4ax.com...
> : > Does any of these things happen yet as ATI said in its press
> : > talk at http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4732.html
> : > ?
> : >
> : > "Starting this spring, HDTV WONDER will be available as a
> : > bundled purchase with selected ALL-IN-WONDER video cards and
> : > separately on ATI.com followed by broad distribution in
> : > retail stores. Additionally, HDTV WONDER will be offered in
> : > Hy-Tek's Tekpanel 300HD and the Tekpanel 370HD
> : > (http://www.tekpanel.com), wide-screen all-in-one multimedia
> : > computers for home or office. The Hy-Tek solutions offer
> : > state-of-the-art 30-inch diagonal WXGA TFT/LCD, full-color,
> : > wide screen displays to showcase the digital detail found in
> : > HDTV broadcasts."
> :
> :
>
>
>
>
> ................................................................
> Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access
> >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<<
> -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
>

HDTV - GREAT! NOW I CAN WATCH 15 MINUTES OF COMMERCIALS AN HOUR...IN
STUPIDLY HIGH RESOLUTION!

Hehehe, honestly, i dont see the point of HDTV. I know no-one that has or
even wants a plasma or TFT television, they're just too expensive, and not
worth it.

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Kai Robinson wrote:

>
> "Dr Richard Cranium" <dracman@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:406f446f$0$71107$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
>> i think the hdtv implementation is slow because of the installed user
>> base
> of crt type
>> televisions. Coupled with the reluctance of broadcast TV stations to
>> spend
> big $$$ to
>> convert their facilities over to hdtv signal broadcasts and losing the
> near short term
>> profits that allows them to leverage the purchase of the superbowl time
> for their station.
>>
>> i think i read somewhere that the tv stations and comercial industry is
> mandated to be
>> hdtv by 2005, this edit (law) came about because of the embarassment of
> losing the entire
>> vcr industry to the most excellent japanese manufacturing cartel. (and
> that is another
>> story).
>>
>> IF the US doesn't get off it's proverbial ash and do something about the
> slooowwwww hdtv
>> switch-over, the hdtv market will be lost to another country, like the
> cellular phone
>> industry has gone overseas.
>>
>> and that is enough to piss you off.
>>
>> ** No Fate **
>>
>> cheers,
>> dracman
>> Tomb Raider: Shotgun City
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb.htm
>> http://www.smokeypoint.org/traod/traod.html
>>
>> **savegame editors all versions Tomb Raider & TRAOD godmode
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tr2code.htm
>>
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tombrai [...] ctures.htm
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/banshee.html
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb2.htm#Tova
>>
>> ** GTA III vice City Character MOD
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/uzi.htm#gta3
>>
>> NFS: drive at the limits of tyre adhesion ! snag Lara's Croftraider IV
> sports car ! !
>> NFS3:NFS4
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#raider
>>
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#blondstranger
>> NFS:HS - Reg method to add your d3d card to NFS:HS
>> NFS III - Reg method to add your d3d card to NFS:HP
>> -=-=-
>> Mad Onion - 3DMark 2001 and 3DMark 2001se -
>> {not the Pro} 4x4 Missile Launcher Truck Secret Game Demo screen snaps
>> (and secret password)
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dmark2001.html
>> -=-=-
>>
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/glidos.htm
>> http://www.smokeypoint.com/3dfx.htm#blondstranger
>>
>>
>>
>> "JAD" <jdemma25@eartink.net> wrote in message
>> news:rTCbc.9167$NL4.1742@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> : All this about HDTV... by the time its in full bloom the tech will be
>> : old news. ;^o no?
>> : I think its going to be left behind for a better alternative and
>> : 'easier / cheaper to implement' technology.
>> : Just seems to be a looonnng time in coming, and didn't HD come out in
>> : ads before 'digital' TV? I sort of
>> : remember it that way. Now digital in many forms is here and HD
>> : broadcasting is barely mentionable.
>> : Or is this considered apples and oranges? Kinda like the PII, seems it
>> : got stampeded over
>> : as the III's weren't that far down the road. If I'm way off, then this
>> : will spark interesting thread I guess.
>> :
>> : morning all......
>> :
>> :
>> : "power" <power@jeffry.com> wrote in message
>> : newsqct6099tatu9sfomti3b54ovcp6tns33t@4ax.com...
>> : > Does any of these things happen yet as ATI said in its press
>> : > talk at http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4732.html
>> : > ?
>> : >
>> : > "Starting this spring, HDTV WONDER will be available as a
>> : > bundled purchase with selected ALL-IN-WONDER video cards and
>> : > separately on ATI.com followed by broad distribution in
>> : > retail stores. Additionally, HDTV WONDER will be offered in
>> : > Hy-Tek's Tekpanel 300HD and the Tekpanel 370HD
>> : > (http://www.tekpanel.com), wide-screen all-in-one multimedia
>> : > computers for home or office. The Hy-Tek solutions offer
>> : > state-of-the-art 30-inch diagonal WXGA TFT/LCD, full-color,
>> : > wide screen displays to showcase the digital detail found in
>> : > HDTV broadcasts."
>> :
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ................................................................
>> Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access
>> >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<<
>> -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
>>
>
> HDTV - GREAT! NOW I CAN WATCH 15 MINUTES OF COMMERCIALS AN HOUR...IN
> STUPIDLY HIGH RESOLUTION!
>
> Hehehe, honestly, i dont see the point of HDTV. I know no-one that has or
> even wants a plasma or TFT television, they're just too expensive, and not
> worth it.

And your point is?

There is nothing about HDTV that requires that one have a plasma or TFT
television--there are plenty of HD CRT and big-screen rear-projection sets
on the market.

--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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JAD wrote:

> All this about HDTV... by the time its in full bloom the tech will be
> old news. ;^o no?

It pretty much _is_ in "full bloom" in the US. I can get HD broadcasts from
all the major networks, with several different stations for the larger
ones, and I'm in one of the areas where the local broadcasters dragged
their feet.

> I think its going to be left behind for a better alternative and
> 'easier / cheaper to implement' technology.

So let's see, the FCC is going to turn around and change the broadcast
standards just as everybody gets the new system online? I've never heard
of an FCC director being lynched by a coalition of broadcasters but if it's
going to happen that would do it.

> Just seems to be a looonnng time in coming, and didn't HD come out in
> ads before 'digital' TV?

What do you mean "came out in ads"? Do you mean that it was advertised or
that advertisemetns were somehow transmitted at higher defnition than the
programming with which they were surrounded? If the former, do you always
believe advertisements? If the latter, that's quite a trick, care to
explain how equipment that was designed around the NTSC standard, and
signals that are strictly regulated by the government to comply with that
standard, somehow conveyed higher resolution than that standard allows, and
how that higher resolution was displayed on hardware that isn't even up to
displaying the full resolution of standard NTSC?

> I sort of
> remember it that way.

If you're talking about the US you remember wrong.

> Now digital in many forms is here and HD
> broadcasting is barely mentionable.

Why? What happens if you mention it? Will your date get out of the car and
call a cab or something?

> Or is this considered apples and oranges? Kinda like the PII, seems it
> got stampeded over
> as the III's weren't that far down the road. If I'm way off, then this
> will spark interesting thread I guess.

I think you're confused about something.

There is a set of standards for high definition broadcast television in the
United States. Those standards are mandated by Federal regulation and all
broadcast stations have been given a deadline for commencing high
definition broadcast. That deadline has either passed or will pass within
a few weeks (I don't recall the exact date offhand) and nearly all
television broadcasters in the US are transmitting high definition. All
you have to do is stick up an antenna and hook the right tuner to it to
recieve it. To actually get some benefit out of it you need a display that
can handle 1280x720 or better, but that's another story.

All the HD modes are digitally transmitted--this has some benefits and some
disadvantages--the big benefit is that you either have a perfect picture or
none. The big disadvantage is the same--it doesn't degrade
gracefully--instead of having a fuzzy picture and staticky sound you have
dropouts or no display or no sound at all.

There is also digital cable, which is digital to the set top box, not to the
display--what comes out of the set top box is no better than what is
carried by ordinary analog cable, they use digital because they can
compress the signal a lot more that way and carry more channels for a given
amount of bandwidth. There is also high definition cable, which requires
the same type of displays as high definition broadcast, however the set top
boxes have no HD modulator (personally I think they should be required by
law to have one) and so the only way to see the HD content in HD is to use
a monitor with DVI or component inputs connected directly to the set top
box--you can see it with a conventional TV but it gets down-converted to
ordinary NTSC. The same is true for direct-broadcast satellite.

If you've seen HD on a big-screen HD display you're already converted. If
you haven't, you will be.

> morning all......
>
>
> "power" <power@jeffry.com> wrote in message
> newsqct6099tatu9sfomti3b54ovcp6tns33t@4ax.com...
>> Does any of these things happen yet as ATI said in its press
>> talk at http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4732.html
>> ?
>>
>> "Starting this spring, HDTV WONDER will be available as a
>> bundled purchase with selected ALL-IN-WONDER video cards and
>> separately on ATI.com followed by broad distribution in
>> retail stores. Additionally, HDTV WONDER will be offered in
>> Hy-Tek's Tekpanel 300HD and the Tekpanel 370HD
>> (http://www.tekpanel.com), wide-screen all-in-one multimedia
>> computers for home or office. The Hy-Tek solutions offer
>> state-of-the-art 30-inch diagonal WXGA TFT/LCD, full-color,
>> wide screen displays to showcase the digital detail found in
>> HDTV broadcasts."

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)