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Will there be a PocketPC with harddisk?

I am thinking of a PocketPC Phone device with a 40G harddisk (hd is getting
smaller) and I can use USB to connect my PC to it, then it becomes my D:
drive, and I use like a personal mobile storage. Same as USB storage and
harddisk.

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It is not a good option to use your Pocket PC as hard disk.
- first of all your Pocket PC won't work (you will not see files on it)
unless you install ActiveSync software
- another thing is that your PC applications can not see the Pocket PC
device so they can not access files on it
- so you may only use it as removable storage for moving files among
computers
- but the transfer to PPC form PC and vice versa is not too big so it will
be hard to copy large files thru USB cable (the transfer is slower then
using for example external card reader for CompactFlash cards)

There will rather not be a Pocket PC with hard disk because such media uses
more power then CompactFlash or RAM drives and it is more delicate hardware
which can easily be damged. But you can buy hard disks on CF typu II cards
or PCMCIA cards to use with PDAs.

--

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Mine is when I put a Microdrive in the CF memory slot. It does use more
battery power though. The microdrive is available with up to 4Gb of storage
now.


"Sean Pau" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Will there be a PocketPC with harddisk?
>
> I am thinking of a PocketPC Phone device with a 40G harddisk (hd is
getting
> smaller) and I can use USB to connect my PC to it, then it becomes my D:
> drive, and I use like a personal mobile storage. Same as USB storage and
> harddisk.
>
>

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However what he describes is basically an Ipod without the pocket pc
functionality. Rumor has it that apple is getting back in to the portable
computing market and that may spur on exactly the kind of thing he is
talking about, pocketpc/palm type devices with 40gig drives with the ability
to dock to a pc (or mac).


"Jakub Kanczugowski" <duncan@no-spam-ever.ceti.pl> wrote in message
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It is not a good option to use your Pocket PC as hard disk.
- first of all your Pocket PC won't work (you will not see files on it)
unless you install ActiveSync software
- another thing is that your PC applications can not see the Pocket PC
device so they can not access files on it
- so you may only use it as removable storage for moving files among
computers
- but the transfer to PPC form PC and vice versa is not too big so it will
be hard to copy large files thru USB cable (the transfer is slower then
using for example external card reader for CompactFlash cards)

There will rather not be a Pocket PC with hard disk because such media uses
more power then CompactFlash or RAM drives and it is more delicate hardware
which can easily be damged. But you can buy hard disks on CF typu II cards
or PCMCIA cards to use with PDAs.

--

..: Jakub Kañczugowski
..: www.PDAclub.pl

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"Knott Me" <knott_me@SPAMSUX.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> However what he describes is basically an Ipod without the pocket pc
> functionality. Rumor has it that apple is getting back in to the portable
> computing market and that may spur on exactly the kind of thing he is
> talking about, pocketpc/palm type devices with 40gig drives with the
ability
> to dock to a pc (or mac).

The iPod mini has built in PIM features, very basic, but the roots seem to
be laid.

Rob

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:55:31 -0700, "Rob B." <insertion@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The iPod mini has built in PIM features, very basic, but the roots seem to
>be laid.

These were also in the "large" iPod, but only act as reference.
There's no way to edit information once it is on your iPod. And as
much as I like the iPod user interface for playing music, I'm not a
big fan of their PIM interface so far. So *if* Apple would go PDA
again -which means Steve Jobs being able to swallow his pride....- it
still needs major work. Since Apple is the self proclaimed kind of the
UI, they might want to do just that. So who knows, the iWalk might
happen after all.

--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [ http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile ]
Pocket PC Thoughts [ http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com ]

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:45:04 +0800, "Sean Pau" <someone@microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Will there be a PocketPC with harddisk?

Inevitably yes. Right now? No. When? Don't know.

--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [ http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile ]
Pocket PC Thoughts [ http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com ]

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>I am thinking of a PocketPC Phone device with a 40G harddisk (hd is getting
>smaller) and I can use USB to connect my PC to it, then it becomes my D:
>drive, and I use like a personal mobile storage. Same as USB storage and
>harddisk.

I like this idea as well...cause then I can carry all MY apps and
utility with me...and like you said just hook it up to any PC via the
USB port.

However....isnt this what a "universal PC" ia all abt..... i.e. UPC?

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>It is not a good option to use your Pocket PC as hard disk.

I glad AI came across this cause using PPC as a "hard drive" to a
desktop PC was exactly what I was considering doing.

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>However what he describes is basically an Ipod without the pocket pc
>functionality. Rumor has it that apple is getting back in to the portable
>computing market and that may spur on exactly the kind of thing he is
>talking about, pocketpc/palm type devices with 40gig drives with the ability
>to dock to a pc (or mac).

That's exactly what I would need!

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I don't think it's "inevitable".
Hard disks are the oldest, slower, more power consuming, more fragile
technology we actually have in our devices, fixed and/or mobile.
I think/hope we will soon have solid-state memories with same or
better performances of actual HDD and a fraction of actual cost per
MB.
I really hope we soon have no more HDD

Franz

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:25:26 +0200, "Marlof Bregonje, MS-MVP/Mobile
Devices" <askforit@thenewsgroup.address.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:45:04 +0800, "Sean Pau" <someone@microsoft.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Will there be a PocketPC with harddisk?
>
>Inevitably yes. Right now? No. When? Don't know.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:00:02 GMT, Franz
<franzsamR_E-M_O-V-E.ME@libero.it> wrote:

>I really hope we soon have no more HDD

That too is inevitable. But I think in the mean time HDDs will be here
with us. And I really would like a mix of my iPod and my Pocket PC as
long as I can't have 40GB of solid state memory for an affordable
price in my PDA.

--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [ http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile ]
Pocket PC Thoughts [ http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com ]

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:00:02 GMT, Franz <franzsamR_E-M_O-V-E.ME@libero.it>
wrote:

>I don't think it's "inevitable".
>Hard disks are the oldest, slower, more power consuming, more fragile
>technology we actually have in our devices, fixed and/or mobile.
>I think/hope we will soon have solid-state memories with same or
>better performances of actual HDD and a fraction of actual cost per
>MB.
>I really hope we soon have no more HDD

I agree. Another point you didn't mention is the noise. One of the key
benefits of a PPC for me is the complete and utter silence, meaning I can
sit on the couch and read the news in peace, without the whining HD/fan of a
desktop/laptop.

Steve

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In message <ajk980des1f914m2c2c2nppbf9ekflg2nh@4ax.com>, Steve Cutting
<scutting@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> read the news in peace, without the whining HD/fan of a
> desktop/laptop.

1. An iPod hardly makes a sound, just the clicking now and then of the HD,
which doesn't disturb me too much. It doesn't need a fan.
2. My iBook hardly uses it's fan, since it's cleverly designed. It is possible
to have these things more silent, but it takes good engineering.

--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile ]
Pocket PC Thoughts [ http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com ]

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"Steve Cutting" <scutting@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:00:02 GMT, Franz <franzsamR_E-M_O-V-E.ME@libero.it>
> wrote:
>
> >I don't think it's "inevitable".
> >Hard disks are the oldest, slower, more power consuming, more fragile
> >technology we actually have in our devices, fixed and/or mobile.
> >I think/hope we will soon have solid-state memories with same or
> >better performances of actual HDD and a fraction of actual cost per
> >MB.
> >I really hope we soon have no more HDD
>
> I agree. Another point you didn't mention is the noise. One of the key
> benefits of a PPC for me is the complete and utter silence, meaning I can
> sit on the couch and read the news in peace, without the whining HD/fan of
a
> desktop/laptop.
>
> Steve
>

As an owner of removable hard drive technology:

Although I can hear my microdrive I couldn't by any means call it whining-
there is no fan. It only makes any noise when reading/writing then powers
down. And it's certainly not loud but I don't think IBM quoted noise levels,
it would depend on the device it is in, but it certainly isn't intrusive.

wrt fragile- this is used in a digital camera too, and hasn't been treated
with kid gloves. It still works. It's been dropped on its own, and in the
camera. And it's been regularly swapped between devices. On its travels its
been outside in all weathers. It still works - I bought it straight from
launch in 2000.