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Just came from the Verizon service Center in Bellingham, WA...

I am due to renew my contract and I asked if they were no longer going
to carry any "candy-bar" type tri mode phones and was told no. I was
also told that they are dropping analog service because their network
is going all digital. Also that they may carry a few tri-mode type
flip phones.

So I guess when you travel out of the digital network area (which is
a big part of Washington) there will be no cell service available.

Time to seek out a new carrier...


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I think someone gave you a big of zealous maybe. Analog isn't going away in
the near term. Although yes, the new towers are focusing on being all
Digital. That's the plan... now if they could only do away with those
analog.... but they can't. Not yet.

There will be analog for quite a while. Last year most of the new phones
were all Digital; followed shortly by a wave of tri-mode. Yes the intention
is for an all digital network; but you can count on analog being around for
a while; and if there is no candy-bar phone today, be patient, there will be
one tomorrow. My opinion is that analog will be around till 2010 (swag) or
more. Wouldn't switch carriers because of what they said.

BUT: if your having problems with billing, bad coverage, and they change the
terms of the plans in mid-stream, or you think they are dishonest... those
are reasons to switch for sure. dr.
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"Pegleg" <brian-s-jones@comcast.spam.net> wrote in message
news:bt1te158758h9tig9knlcotrfdnl1bgvr7@4ax.com...
> Just came from the Verizon service Center in Bellingham, WA...
>
> I am due to renew my contract and I asked if they were no longer going
> to carry any "candy-bar" type tri mode phones and was told no. I was
> also told that they are dropping analog service because their network
> is going all digital. Also that they may carry a few tri-mode type
> flip phones.
>
> So I guess when you travel out of the digital network area (which is
> a big part of Washington) there will be no cell service available.
>
> Time to seek out a new carrier...
>
>
> Pegleg
> U.S. Navy Retired
> Support Our Troops
>
> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
> Sir Winston Churchill

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ADios pal...You'll be back...Or you won't leave..


"Pegleg" <brian-s-jones@comcast.spam.net> wrote in message
news:bt1te158758h9tig9knlcotrfdnl1bgvr7@4ax.com...
> Just came from the Verizon service Center in Bellingham, WA...
>
> I am due to renew my contract and I asked if they were no longer going
> to carry any "candy-bar" type tri mode phones and was told no. I was
> also told that they are dropping analog service because their network
> is going all digital. Also that they may carry a few tri-mode type
> flip phones.
>
> So I guess when you travel out of the digital network area (which is
> a big part of Washington) there will be no cell service available.
>
> Time to seek out a new carrier...
>
>
> Pegleg
> U.S. Navy Retired
> Support Our Troops
>
> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
> Sir Winston Churchill

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"St" <dd@notmenow.net> wrote in news:tnAHe.9030$_R1.7872@fe11.lga:

> also told that they are dropping analog service because their network
>> is going all digital.

Hmm...They must be giving up the 800 Mhz bands and going to PCS! FCC
REQUIRES them to provide AMPS service until a certain date, which keeps
getting pushed back.


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True, they must support analog in the 800 Mhz bands until Feb. 18,
2008. But, you are going back to that wishful thinking/conjecture mode
of yours on analog when you say the end of the requirement "keeps
getting pushed back."

The original date set was Feb. 18, 2008, and it has not changed by one
day since it was set in Feb. of 2003. Discussions, yes. Changes, no.

Please support your assertion of this date being "pushed back."

I actually agree that it should be, certainly in rural areas, but
opinions of what should be do not necessarily equate to the facts of
what is.

If, in fact, there has been any change in the date, I'd like to hear
the facts.

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617 Phones wrote:

> Please support your assertion of this date being "pushed back."
>
> I actually agree that it should be, certainly in rural areas, but
> opinions of what should be do not necessarily equate to the facts of
> what is.

Ferchrissakes, guys, if Australia's telcos deployed CDMA in the Outback -
and I understand that they have, they use GSM in the cities and CDMA in the
rural areas - why in hell can't we deploy CDMA rurally here and have it work?

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It looks like about half of the state is covered. There probably are
not many people living in the non covered areas.

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What is "swag"? I don't think verizon's analog network will last much
longer than the end of any verizon contracts with customers living in a
verizon analog only area, and those areas are very few and small.

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Pegleg wrote:
> Just came from the Verizon service Center in Bellingham, WA...
>
> I am due to renew my contract and I asked if they were no longer going
> to carry any "candy-bar" type tri mode phones and was told no. I was
> also told that they are dropping analog service because their network
> is going all digital. Also that they may carry a few tri-mode type
> flip phones.
>
> So I guess when you travel out of the digital network area (which is
> a big part of Washington) there will be no cell service available.
>
> Time to seek out a new carrier...
>
>
> Pegleg
> U.S. Navy Retired
> Support Our Troops
>
> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
> Sir Winston Churchill

Acctually in WA State there are alot of places No covereage though
there is NO COVERAGE for anyone. You can go in and out of coverage but
this is mostly in the mountains. I know I broke down on a road that
very few people came on LOL

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Steve, that will be great when we are on track to get it (long range
CDMA) done. There has been minor testing in the U.S., but that's it.
The Australian development started over 6 years ago. It would certainly
be preferable to have solid CDMA coverage. When that is a reality, AMPS
won't be a personal concern for me. We are just not there, yet.

In response to Jerome's comment on the FCC getting "off its duff" and
setting the analog requirement sunset to 01 Jan 2006, that's not even a
possibility. The FCC has made it quite clear that while there has been
no extension of the analog requirement beyond Feb. 18, 2008, that is
the only direction they have considered, not moving it up earlier. This
is a rare area where the FCC is not just parroting the choices of the
industry, but has actually shown some level of concern for consumers.

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From what I can determine, there are very few and very small areas of
the country where the wireless service is analog only. Therefore there
are very few people who need analog now. For the FCC to allow wireless
carriers to discontinue analog service where and when they want to as
soon as 01 Jan 2006, would have very little affect on consumers.
Such a rural system would drain the batteries faster, and using those
higher power phones in the city might disrupt the network.

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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:36:27 GMT, Jerome Zelinske
<jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From what I can determine, there are very few and very small areas of
>the country where the wireless service is analog only. Therefore there
>are very few people who need analog now. For the FCC to allow wireless
>carriers to discontinue analog service where and when they want to as
>soon as 01 Jan 2006, would have very little affect on consumers.
> Such a rural system would drain the batteries faster, and using those
>higher power phones in the city might disrupt the network.

Boy are you out of touch...I'm not sure how you made your
"determination" but you might do some factual research.
There are numerous areas where analog is the only coverage...for
example take a look at Sprint's map.


Pegleg
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Support Our Troops

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freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
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Pegleg wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:36:27 GMT, Jerome Zelinske
> <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From what I can determine, there are very few and very small areas of
>>the country where the wireless service is analog only. Therefore there
>>are very few people who need analog now. For the FCC to allow wireless
>>carriers to discontinue analog service where and when they want to as
>>soon as 01 Jan 2006, would have very little affect on consumers.
>> Such a rural system would drain the batteries faster, and using those
>>higher power phones in the city might disrupt the network.
>
>
> Boy are you out of touch...I'm not sure how you made your
> "determination" but you might do some factual research.
> There are numerous areas where analog is the only coverage...for
> example take a look at Sprint's map.

Sprint's *own* coverage is 100% digital, and Verizon completed their
transition to 100% digital native coverage about 12-18 months ago. I am not
sure if you're referring to the carriers' own coverage, or the coverage
including their roaming partners.

I will say that Sprint is NOT a good example. They used to only do analog
roaming, and there are still some places - like where I live - where Sprint
COULD do digital roaming now, but still doesn't. Up north of Victorville on
US 66, Verizon has coverage but Sprint doesn't, but Sprint roams analog
on... not sure who. This is one of the areas where I believe Sprint users
used to be able to roam on Verizon and I *know* VZ users could roam on
Sprint where necessary, but neither carrier seems to like roaming agreements
with each other now... with the exception of places like Oklahoma, where
Sprint has service and Verizon doesn't, and Verizon roams on Sprint...

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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:36:27 GMT, Jerome Zelinske
<jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>From what I can determine, there are very few and very small areas of
>the country where the wireless service is analog only. Therefore there
>are very few people who need analog now.

What about all those people with the analog-only OnStar systems in their
cars?

>For the FCC to allow wireless
>carriers to discontinue analog service where and when they want to as
>soon as 01 Jan 2006, would have very little affect on consumers.
>Such a rural system would drain the batteries faster, and using those
>higher power phones in the city might disrupt the network.

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Bob Scheurle wrote:

> What about all those people with the analog-only OnStar systems in their
> cars?
You'd think OnStar would be converting them, and I know OnStar *is* doing
digital for new systems, but I don't know what their plans are for
converting the analog-only customers; I'm not an OnStar customer myself.



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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
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> You'd think OnStar would be converting them, and I know OnStar *is*
> doing digital for new systems, but I don't know what their plans are
> for converting the analog-only customers; I'm not an OnStar customer
> myself.
>
>
>

Onstar doesn't convert them because Onstar wants a mobile system that works
most everywhere...AMPS.

I'll give you another example. Digital phones don't "do crypto" very well.
The Presidential Limo is on Verizon AMPS because its extensive
cryptographic encoding/decoding works well on AMPS,