I believe scotten is half right about BFG cards, the versions with the dual fans are the ones that suck, the very original(like when it first came out last summer) that has the single fan design is the good one, i bought one at that time and am currently running 410/1100 on a stock cooler with my own 1.4v modded BIOS. It auto detects at 419/1100, but heats up to much, so i'm waiting for a better cooler. Also i've read several user reviews(such as newegg etc..) on the most recent BFG OC GT's and many have reported 420's and even up to 445 with water cooling. So BFG is not necessarily a bad brand for OC, only if you get the inbetween version with the sucky cooler. PNY is another story, have no experience with them what so ever, and they are not the most expensive or quality filled brand, so i wouldn't doubt their oc limitations. I would still reccommend BFG over Asus(if you get the newest cards, check with the vender before buying), for some reason i have Never had good luck oving their cards, love their mobo's and features and stuff, just never had good oc results on their cards. Not only that BFG gives you a life time warranty, so if you damage something and are able to flash back, you get a new card.

Asus A8V Deluxe(rev. 2.00) / A64 3200 (winchester) / 1024mb OCZ DDR500 (2.5-3-3-8) / BFG 6800GT@stock / Baracuda 120GB / Lian-Li PC-65 / Syncmaster 700NF / OCZ Power Stream 520

BFG over Asus if you're talking about 6800GT then HELL NO! The Asus 6800GT uses 6800ultra PCB, and it's default at 1.45V it's superior all around.

The problem is there are only 10% of the original design out there, the other 90% are the dual fan. I've seen dual fan do the 1.4V mod, but only seen 1, out of hundreds. The original ones? I don't know about those, since never had experience with any of them.

Still if BFG requires volt mod to hit ultra speeds, i'd take the EVGA over it anyday since it doesn't require volt mod to hit ultra speeds, at least most of them. So in my opinion if you're looking for a good 6800GT, then get an Asus or Gainward GS.

And you insane shlthead you spelled my name wrong! arrrrgh

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scottchen on 04/05/05 11:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

OK I have 2 BFG 6800 OC. Both have the 2 fan design cooler on them.
One has a ultra chip with 2.8ns ran, one has the 6800 chip with 2.2ns ram. Both were sold as 6800OC.

The main difference between the 2 is the power regulation circuits.
The one that will take 1.4v has 8 large caps,3 very small caps with large open windings Torroids (I believe they are called).
The other has 5 large caps,3 smaller caps and 3 very small caps with enclosed windings that are much smaller.
The ultra chip with 2.8ns ram will run 400/800 maximum.
The 6800 chip will run 420/940 so far but has to be bios flashed at these speeds. Will try later to see what maximum speeds are.

I aint signing nothing!!!

Yeah I was quite pissed when i first bought a BFG 6800GT at how the fact the cooling blows compare to Nvidia refrence. So returned it and bought a Gainward 6800GT, and that thing totally kicked @ss, 400/1100 was too easy, since gainward's enhanced mode hits that, so i've decided to go more, the ram crapped out at 1150, but the core went all the way up to 440mhz. That is without any volt modding or cooling modifications, since the card defaults at 1.4V

Nice OC you have there. As per you. Time for better Kooling and a little volt modding?

lol, the only reason it needs the vmod is because it doesn't run at 1.4v stock. lol. Obviously if the Asus GT was at 1.3v like most other boards it wouldn't OC as well either.

Asus A8V Deluxe(rev. 2.00) / A64 3200 (winchester) / 1024mb OCZ DDR500 (2.5-3-3-8) / BFG 6800GT@stock / Baracuda 120GB / Lian-Li PC-65 / Syncmaster 700NF / OCZ Power Stream 520

I've sold my gainward a while ago, with my whole system, that's when i got chance to move to Nforce4 SLI, and a single EVGA 6800ultra.

How much profit did you make on that sale?

Not Enough... Had to pay extra for my 6800ultra.

I find that hard to bleave. That you did not make enough$$$$ to buy your 6800U.