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I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their PTT.
I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that the
second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there anyone
in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with the
new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.

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"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06:

> the rep assured me that the
> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel.

He's dreamin'...(d^ Nextel is a trunk radio system, iDen. Its cellular-
like interconnect to regular telephones is an afterthought. Cellular
companies trying to horn in on Nextel's business are cellular companies,
whos systems are designed for full duplex telephone service. PTT is a
bastardization of their data service....like VoIP on the net. Their
latency eats them alive.

Besides, if you are talking to OTHER Nextel customers on PTT, you will NOT
be able to talk to them on any other company....except to call their phone
number on cellular. The PTT systems are NOT interconnected. Over their
cold, dead bodies...(c;

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

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Inter carrier phone service works just fine. You can make phone calls
between them just the same as always. It is the ptt functions that do
not inter operate.

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Jimmy D wrote:
> Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean cut input.
> I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know that one
> carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to Verizon
> vise versa.

I can offer this observation. After a number of friends with businesses
observed me having full duplex conversations without the clock running
they dropped their Nextel plans and went with VZW. As a side benefit VZW
has much better coverage.

As far as angry one of the answers you got is from the resident mad at
VZW for some unknown reason trolls...

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"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:YuUre.6922$fa3.6898@trndny01...
> Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean
cut input.
> I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know
that one
> carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to
Verizon
> vise versa.

Hi Jimmy,

For a 100 line switch the VZW rep should be willing to loan you a
couple of phones and let you try it for 14 days.

Just remember, with Nextel PTT is basic and regular cell is an add on
With Verizon regular cell is basic and PTT is an add on.

But TRY BEFORE YOU BUY !

Richard

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George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:S4GdndOzBPW_gS3fRVn-
2A@adelphia.com:

> I can offer this observation. After a number of friends with businesses
> observed me having full duplex conversations without the clock running
> they dropped their Nextel plans and went with VZW.

It is interesting to note that with Nextel, 24/7, INCOMING calls are not
charged to you. So, if you are running a business with lots of incoming
calls eating up your VZW minutes during the business day, Nextel's free
incoming calls makes a lot of sense. The actual number of included
(nothing is free) minutes in either plan isn't comparible if you take lots
of business calls daily coming in. Nextel wins every time if your incoming
minutes monthly is over 500. It's really a judgement call.

Of course, if you're in an industry like construction where everyone talks
to everyone on Nextel PTT, VZW isn't an issue at all, PTT or no PTT. In
businesses like that, noone uses timed minutes. They switch to their
vendor's Nextel PTT group and call him for free...all day long.

The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to teenage
girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

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Jimmy,

You have to look at what you need more: A two-way radio with a cell phone
or a cell phone that also has two-way (delayed) capability. Verizon's PTW
uses the cell feature of the phone; while the delay may get shorter, it will
never be as short as Nextel. Another thing to consider is if your users
communicate with other Nextel users outside of your company to get their
work done. Ultimately, you have to go with whichever company makes better
business sense, however with 100 phones, I would imagine that Nextel would
make it worth your while to stay...


"RICHARD GORDON" <richard_r_gordonATmsnDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:YuUre.6922$fa3.6898@trndny01...
> > Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean
> cut input.
> > I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know
> that one
> > carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to
> Verizon
> > vise versa.
>
> Hi Jimmy,
>
> For a 100 line switch the VZW rep should be willing to loan you a
> couple of phones and let you try it for 14 days.
>
> Just remember, with Nextel PTT is basic and regular cell is an add on
> With Verizon regular cell is basic and PTT is an add on.
>
> But TRY BEFORE YOU BUY !
>
> Richard
>
>
>

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"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>
> It is interesting to note that with Nextel, 24/7, INCOMING calls are
not
> charged to you. So, if you are running a business with lots of
incoming
> calls eating up your VZW minutes during the business day, Nextel's
free
> incoming calls makes a lot of sense. The actual number of included
> (nothing is free) minutes in either plan isn't comparible if you
take lots
> of business calls daily coming in. Nextel wins every time if your
incoming
> minutes monthly is over 500. It's really a judgement call.
>
> Of course, if you're in an industry like construction where everyone
talks
> to everyone on Nextel PTT, VZW isn't an issue at all, PTT or no PTT.
In
> businesses like that, noone uses timed minutes. They switch to
their
> vendor's Nextel PTT group and call him for free...all day long.
>

Hi Larry,

That's a valid point..................as far as it goes.

The problem is that all those construction workers have wives, girl
friends, family and other friends (who DON'T use Nextel) and they talk
to those folks as well.

And that's where the Nextel user gets creamed.

Nextel's business model has always been to either give away or lowball
the Direct Connect minutes and then charge like a wounded bull for
everything else.

We have a very small number of customers for whom the genuine Nextel
PTT is a must or so they think.
But we run a monthly calculation showing them what they are paying for
the regular cell minutes and the impact that's having on their total
bill. It's amazing how that changes their attitude over
time.......................especially now that the competition offers
free in network calling.

Richard (3 Watts forever ! )

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Larry W4CSC wrote:

>
> The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to teenage
> girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.
>
Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
if you use a nextel radio.

I was just working at a site today and there were too guys from a large
service company who I usually bump into. I noticed they no longer had
nextel and asked what they were using. They said the company switched
over to VZW because the users didn't want to deal with the walkie-talkie
"feature". Now they can call others and either put the speakerphone on
and set the phone down or use a headset and have a full duplex call.

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"RICHARD GORDON" <richard_r_gordonATmsnDOTcom> wrote in
news:11b12d39oe4ao95@news.supernews.com:

> That's a valid point..................as far as it goes.
>
> The problem is that all those construction workers have wives, girl
> friends, family and other friends (who DON'T use Nextel) and they talk
> to those folks as well.
>
> And that's where the Nextel user gets creamed.

Not really. My friend next door is an Electrical contractor. His wife
owns a leather business. They both use their own Nextel group and talk on
PTT all day. Other electricians all have Nextel on other groups. Most of
them I know also have Nextel phones in the wife's possession. It's all
PTT....fast PTT.

>
> Nextel's business model has always been to either give away or lowball
> the Direct Connect minutes and then charge like a wounded bull for
> everything else.
>
> We have a very small number of customers for whom the genuine Nextel
> PTT is a must or so they think.
> But we run a monthly calculation showing them what they are paying for
> the regular cell minutes and the impact that's having on their total
> bill. It's amazing how that changes their attitude over
> time.......................especially now that the competition offers
> free in network calling.
>
> Richard (3 Watts forever ! )
>

Most Nextel customers I know really have no choice. The warehouse guys at
the supply houses all have a Nextel group. Most of these businesses do not
allow employees to call out on Nextel. They're restricted to PTT service
and incoming phone calls. Outgoing is locked out so they use no minutes at
all! Only the supervisory personnel are using outgoing minutes. These
companies let the workers take their phones home and use them all they like
as it costs the company nothing extra. Wives can call them, but they can
only call 911. If they had VZW PTT, I'm not sure how that would lockout
and the wives calling in would cost the company so the phones would
probably stay on the job.

As I said, as long as Nextel has a lock on the majority of inter-business
PTT between users and suppliers, even if VZW gets the latency issue to
microseconds, if you can't call 'em....who cares?

Another issue is the tougher iDen phones. I've got a couple of really
rugged Nextel phones a friend gave me when he switched his company to
Alltel. You can just look at them and see they were never designed for
glitzy Barbie dolls to carry in their pink purses. I don't think VZW or
any of the glitz carriers has a really rugged phone you can drag on the
ground under a house fixing the wiring, do they? Electricians don't care
about color screens, cameras, ringtones, games....just PTT that works after
the phone got dropped in the mud or they fell on it off the ladder.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

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I've heard that the long-term plan of SprintPCS-Nextel is to migrate all
of the iDEN/SMR stuff to CDMA. The particular PTT protocol used by
SprintPCS is supposed to be faster than the one used by VZW.

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Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon Push to
Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for users on the
VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared to Nextel. Are
there any former Nextel users who made the switch?
"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06...
>I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
> communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their PTT.
> I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that the
> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there
> anyone
> in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with the
> new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.
>
>
>

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My understanding is they are trying to make dual-mode phones that can
operate in both CDMA and iDen at the same time, unlike the i2000/i2000+ that
can only operate in one at a time.


"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
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> I've heard that the long-term plan of SprintPCS-Nextel is to migrate all
> of the iDEN/SMR stuff to CDMA. The particular PTT protocol used by
> SprintPCS is supposed to be faster than the one used by VZW.

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How many WWII conversations on radios were held between people over 2000
miles apart?

Nextel doesn't advertise using PTT for long conversations. If you watch
their commercials, they all highlight the use of PTT for short
conversations.


"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Larry W4CSC wrote:
>
> >
> > The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to
teenage
> > girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.
> >
> Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
> to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
> if you use a nextel radio.
>
> I was just working at a site today and there were too guys from a large
> service company who I usually bump into. I noticed they no longer had
> nextel and asked what they were using. They said the company switched
> over to VZW because the users didn't want to deal with the walkie-talkie
> "feature". Now they can call others and either put the speakerphone on
> and set the phone down or use a headset and have a full duplex call.

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Ok, I read all the posts and no one seems to have used the Verizon Push to
Talk. That is the main reason for my post. I am looking for users on the
VERIZON PUSH TO TALK and what they think of it compared to Nextel. Are
there any former Nextel users who made the switch?



"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:yjHre.7356$5s1.237@trndny06...
>I am currently with Nextel and their Direct Connect is my primary means of
> communication. I am thinking of switching to Verizon and using their PTT.
> I went to a retail store over the weekend, and the rep assured me that the
> second rollout of Verizon's PTT is right there with Nextel. Is there
> anyone
> in this group that has the new service with Verizon, specifically with the
> new LG VX4700. Thanks for any input.
>
>
>