Metro Version of IE 10 Will Be "Plugin Free"
Internet Explorer 10 will have two versions: the full-blown desktop app with plug-in and extension support, and the plug-in free Metro app.
Microsoft's Steven Sinofsky said in a blog on Wednesday that there will be two versions of Internet Explorer 10: a full-blown desktop app that will support extensions and plug-ins including Flash, and a Metro-style app that will be completely plug-in free, relying on HTML5. That means it will not support Adobe's "legacy" technology by default.
"For the web to move forward and for consumers to get the most out of touch-first browsing, the Metro style browser in Windows 8 is as HTML5-only as possible, and plug-in free," added IE team leader Dean Hachamovitch. "The experience that plug-ins provide today is not a good match with Metro style browsing and the modern HTML5 web."
According to Hachamovitch, running the Metro version without plug-ins will mean an improved battery life, better security, reliability and privacy for users. And now that the Internet has advanced to sustaining an HTML5 environment, supporting legacy plug-in technologies would simply detract from the consumer experience. In fact. plug-in free HTML5-based mobile sites are becoming more common -- just look at Google's Music Beta and the mobile sites for Twitter and Facebook.
"We examined the use of plug-ins across the top 97,000 sites world-wide, a corpus which includes local sites outside the US in significant depth," Hachamovitch said. "Many of the 62-percent of these sites that currently use Adobe Flash already fall back to HTML5 video in the absence of plug-in support. When serving ads in the absence of plug-ins, most sites already perform the equivalent of this fallback, showing that this approach is practical and scalable. There’s a steep drop-off in plug-in usage after Flash, with one control used on 2-percent of sites and a small collection of controls used on between 0.5-percent and 0.75-percent of sites."
Yet given that the Metro version of Internet Explorer 10 will be pushed as a "plug-in free experience," it will still support old-school consumer sites and "line of business" applications that require legacy ActiveX controls. Users simply tap "Use Desktop View" in Metro style IE to access these sites in their entirety. "For what these sites do, the power of HTML5 makes more sense, especially in Windows 8 apps," he added.
To see how Internet Explorer 10 will adjust its behavior site by site, head here.
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IE...the number 1 browser...for downloading another browser
I tried the Developer Preview and the Metro UI was far from an immerser experience, the most important part of which is the lack of plug-ins for Metro IE10 (youtube doesn't fall back on HTML5 yet). I guess somebody will hack it to enable plug-ins, or at least I hope so. Other then that, I was expecting a Media Centre style file browser and other stuff. Still, it handled pretty well for a preview version. I hope they change a lot of stuff before releasing it. Otherwise I wouldn't run this on my tablet.
IE 9 already has two versions, "Internet Explorer" and "Internet Explorer (64-bit)". So does that mean IE 10 will have two versions of each of those?
Would Microsoft stop going against the grain with IE already! Seriously, MS didn't give one reason in the article for the need to do this. I guess they are trying to be more like Apple and control how people use their software.
Seriously, after using IE9 for sometime I am realizing just how crappy and incompatible it is with a lot of sites. This site for example, you can never post on ... IE9 just hangs.
"For what these sites do, the power of HTML5 makes more sense, especially in Windows 8 apps," Gee thanks for giving us your opinion Microsoft. So because you think this is what's best, you go ahead and control our user experience instead of letting us choose?
IE 9 already has two versions, "Internet Explorer" and "Internet Explorer (64-bit)". So does that mean IE 10 will have two versions of each of those?
2 versions, yet both still suck
I guess Microsoft is trying its best to keep the pattern. Release some crap that really sucks (Windows ME). Released a revised, more user friendly version that people actually want (Windows XP). Release another POS OS that nobody wants (Windows Vista). Release something worth buying again (Windows 7). Release something that totally sucks (Windows 8 with this POS MetroUI)....
Lets all start looking forward to Windows 9, I guess? I bet it'll kick ass.
No more blocking ads, all about MS controlling/forcing content
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I hate that everyone thinks we need to get rid of all plug-ins... While HTML 5 and JavaScript MAY be able to do some of the same things flash does... the bottom line is it can't do everything.
The YouTube player is a perfect example... why do you think YouTube hasn't switched over to using HTML 5 for their videos?! It wouldn't be hard... It's because HTML 5 offers no form of protection for the content. If YouTube switched to HTML5 for video playback then all you would have to do is right click > view source > find the video tag > now you know the URL to the video and can download it. Can't do the same with flash... (although there are much harder ways...)
Microsoft... stop following Apple.
No more blocking ads, all about MS controlling/forcing content
Try Fanboy's IE 9 adblock and tracking protection lists. Works exactly as adblock on ffox.
I tried the Developer Preview and the Metro UI was far from an immerser experience, the most important part of which is the lack of plug-ins for Metro IE10 (youtube doesn't fall back on HTML5 yet). I guess somebody will hack it to enable plug-ins, or at least I hope so. Other then that, I was expecting a Media Centre style file browser and other stuff. Still, it handled pretty well for a preview version. I hope they change a lot of stuff before releasing it. Otherwise I wouldn't run this on my tablet.
For me, the Metro UI is more a detraction from the OS. In the developer preview, it appears they've tried to hide the legacy control panel from the user. I'm running it in a VM as I don't care to risk my stable Win7 install just for a dev preview. It does appear to scale it's performance with CPU count fairly well, which was nice to see. I think my VM install is damaged though as if I attempt to access any system settings it immediately locks up the VM. I'll reload it later and see if anything changes.
Seriously, every single comment is people moaning about MS doing this, if they decided to do nothing at all and simply keep IE9 with it myriad plugins you would be up in arms.
They just can't please you people.
Seriously, every single comment is people moaning about MS doing this, if they decided to do nothing at all and simply keep IE9 with it myriad plugins you would be up in arms.They just can't please you people.
It's more about choice than anything. Don't force something on me, I can make my own decision (in this case the decision is made for you if you want to use the Metro App) . And Microsoft has always had this attitude with IE, to go against web standards and do whatever the hell they want. I realize this is a bit different, but to me it's still MS pulling it's old shenanigans with IE again.
If you were a web developer or designer you would understand how annoying this is.
I saw "Metro" in the headline and thought "2033" or "Last Light" and then read the rest of the headline. This comment is to register my disappointment.
It's more about choice than anything. Don't force something on me, I can make my own decision (in this case the decision is made for you if you want to use the Metro App) . And Microsoft has always had this attitude with IE, to go against web standards and do whatever the hell they want. I realize this is a bit different, but to me it's still MS pulling it's old shenanigans with IE again. If you were a web developer or designer you would understand how annoying this is.
This give you more choice, where exactly did you miss the bit where it said it also has full install with plugins as well as a non-plugin Metro version.
With IE9 you get one version only that drains all the life from your tablet, this gives you the option to choose.
Of course, there is no description above if you will be able to switch between the 2 versions on the same system the same way you can switch beween Metro GUI and ordinary desktop, because that would be just perfect, if you want to play online flash games switch to the full version and when you just want to post on a forum you flick back to the slim version.
Can we have that please Microsoft, Kthxbye
Try Fanboy's IE 9 adblock and tracking protection lists. Works exactly as adblock on ffox.
It's also a plugin so it won't work on the metro ie10.
What about PDF support in the browser.
i wonder if they will block silverlight or just other paties plug ins in this metro browser
i like the association it has to metrosexual because that noun seems apt
I tried the Developer Preview and the Metro UI was far from an immerser experience, the most important part of which is the lack of plug-ins for Metro IE10 (youtube doesn't fall back on HTML5 yet). I guess somebody will hack it to enable plug-ins, or at least I hope so. Other then that, I was expecting a Media Centre style file browser and other stuff. Still, it handled pretty well for a preview version. I hope they change a lot of stuff before releasing it. Otherwise I wouldn't run this on my tablet.
There are two versions. One that will have the plugins and the Metro that wont have the plugins.
BTW, don't judge by the Developer Previews. The first one thats judgeable is always the beta. The Previews always are just the functionality first.
Either way I think its a positive step in the right direction. I am sure if Mozilla decided to do this everyone would be happy.
No more blocking ads, all about MS controlling/forcing content
You can probably still block adds with the built in Tracking Protection, like in IE9. Its not a plugin and uses the exact same script as Ad Block Plus for FF.
I guess their idea was copying Apple's closed systems they force on users. They even want to be "metro", which, if successful, will eventually lead to the next interface being called "ghey", once again to appeal to the Apple crowd...
Android should enjoy a massive boost because of it.
Seriously, every single comment is people moaning about MS doing this, if they decided to do nothing at all and simply keep IE9 with it myriad plugins you would be up in arms.They just can't please you people.
The problem is grouping the two sides together. In reality 'people' are two separate groups that always like to post rants about MS. When we surf through web comments it seems like a two headed monster tearing at your man parts but really it's two individual nutjobs pulling in opposing directions and your genitalia was already toast.
So what is the big diff between this and what they arleady have with a no add-on version already installed in Windows....
shajklhdcfasjkfhasklI hate that everyone thinks we need to get rid of all plug-ins... While HTML 5 and JavaScript MAY be able to do some of the same things flash does... the bottom line is it can't do everything.The YouTube player is a perfect example... why do you think YouTube hasn't switched over to using HTML 5 for their videos?! It wouldn't be hard... It's because HTML 5 offers no form of protection for the content. If YouTube switched to HTML5 for video playback then all you would have to do is right click > view source > find the video tag > now you know the URL to the video and can download it. Can't do the same with flash... (although there are much harder ways...)Microsoft... stop following Apple.
There are lots of programs to download youtube videos. You copy the link, paste it in the program, and hit download.
So what is the big diff between this and what they arleady have with a no add-on version already installed in Windows....
Actually you hit the nail on the head. The current plugin-free option for launching IE is great for slower laptops when you're in a hurry and for saving battery life on the go. There really is no difference at all, although here I believe they are talking about having a separate executable entirely (which would be more secure) rather than the current "switch activated" single excutable. And, in the final release there could possibly be some UI changes to help with the touch screen navigation and what not.
These people are just moaning cuz they think it's gunna bring their entire world crashing down on them, even though they all like to brag about how they use a browser from a company who makes over 95% of it's profit from collecting, searching, locating, and delivering information. BUT, the same people have trust issues with MS. I think they are just so confused in general they just instinctually lash out on whatever might actually make some sense. Like some crazy twisted defense mechanism.
Try Fanboy's IE 9 adblock and tracking protection lists. Works exactly as adblock on ffox.
lol... you can rip off protected content. If you can see it, see it, or touch it, you can steal it. Just the fact that it can play on your computer means it's already decoded somewhere in memory. Currently it's not really possible to fully protect content. All it takes is a little patience, perhaphs a nice little http proxy, wiresark... lots of possiblities here. But mostly just web browser debugging tools built in or as plugins.
I read this but didn't have the opportunity to check before I removed Windows 8 from my laptop. However, this might explain why IE10 Metro was running fast - even though regular IE10 was very fast too.
This give you more choice, where exactly did you miss the bit where it said it also has full install with plugins as well as a non-plugin Metro version.With IE9 you get one version only that drains all the life from your tablet, this gives you the option to choose.Of course, there is no description above if you will be able to switch between the 2 versions on the same system the same way you can switch beween Metro GUI and ordinary desktop, because that would be just perfect, if you want to play online flash games switch to the full version and when you just want to post on a forum you flick back to the slim version.Can we have that please Microsoft, Kthxbye
The ARM version only has Metro enabled applications, so you have no choice (I guess you can download other browsers).