Verizon LIES

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Well, I guess all cellular companies lie - but I happen to be with Verizon
now.

The $89.95 IN package" actually costs $129.95. If you take the time for the
explation from customer service regarding taxes, surcharges, etc., you will
wind up breaking your land line phone (as I did) in frustration.

When asked to repeat the charges and explain, the rep was at a total loss,
frustrated and probably broke her phone as well.

Another 2 years shot to he#*.

(I guess this is why land lines are still around..)

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Chris Eilersen wrote:
> Well, I guess all cellular companies lie - but I happen to be with
> Verizon now.
>
> The $89.95 IN package" actually costs $129.95. If you take the time
> for the explation from customer service regarding taxes, surcharges,
> etc., you will wind up breaking your land line phone (as I did) in
> frustration.
>
> When asked to repeat the charges and explain, the rep was at a total
> loss, frustrated and probably broke her phone as well.
>
> Another 2 years shot to he#*.
>
> (I guess this is why land lines are still around..)

So when you go to the store and the tag on the Mega-Blaster says
$29.95 do you expect that to include tax? There are 1 or 2 charges
that that are VZW charges (like the portability surcharge) but most
of it is various taxes of some sort or other. It's the way most things
are priced in this country.

I especially don't like this when car shopping. My standard ploy
(for the 4 or 5 cars I've purchased in my lifetime) is to force the
salesman to quote me the "out the door" price.

Land lines are really no different. Where does this "long distance
access" charge come from? Why do I have to pay that? Why
can't I just decline long distance access and not pay the charge?
At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.

just the way it is,
-Quick

 

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Chris Eilersen <nospam@chartermi.net> wrote:
> Well, I guess all cellular companies lie - but I happen to be with Verizon
> now.
>
> The $89.95 IN package" actually costs $129.95.

No cellular plan that I've *ever* used has taxes and fees totalling almost
50% of the total bill. Verizon or otherwise.

Can you give us a breakdown from your most recent bill? I'm wondering
where you got your figures.

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In article <1090427572.98925@sj-nntpcache-5>,
Quick <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>So when you go to the store and the tag on the Mega-Blaster says
>$29.95 do you expect that to include tax? There are 1 or 2 charges
>that that are VZW charges (like the portability surcharge) but most
>of it is various taxes of some sort or other. It's the way most things
>are priced in this country.
>
>I especially don't like this when car shopping. My standard ploy
>(for the 4 or 5 cars I've purchased in my lifetime) is to force the
>salesman to quote me the "out the door" price.
>
>Land lines are really no different. Where does this "long distance
>access" charge come from? Why do I have to pay that? Why
>can't I just decline long distance access and not pay the charge?
>At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
>you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.

The problem is that phone companies (wireless and landline) like to break
out many of their ordinary business expenses as add-on "fees", so that
they can advertise a lower price for their product. The long-distance
access charge is one such. Yes, some of them are taxes, but you don't see
see a "property tax" surcharge for their buildings, or a "Social Security
tax" surcharge for their payroll taxes, or "cell site lease" surcharge.

I have no problem with the companies recovering the expenses of those
fees; it's the tacking on of them as they are ringing up the total for
the sale that gets to me.

 

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CharlesH wrote:
> In article <1090427572.98925@sj-nntpcache-5>,
> Quick <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> So when you go to the store and the tag on the Mega-Blaster says
>> $29.95 do you expect that to include tax? There are 1 or 2 charges
>> that that are VZW charges (like the portability surcharge) but most
>> of it is various taxes of some sort or other. It's the way most
>> things are priced in this country.
>>
>> I especially don't like this when car shopping. My standard ploy
>> (for the 4 or 5 cars I've purchased in my lifetime) is to force the
>> salesman to quote me the "out the door" price.
>>
>> Land lines are really no different. Where does this "long distance
>> access" charge come from? Why do I have to pay that? Why
>> can't I just decline long distance access and not pay the charge?
>> At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
>> you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.
>
> The problem is that phone companies (wireless and landline) like to
> break out many of their ordinary business expenses as add-on "fees",
> so that they can advertise a lower price for their product. The
> long-distance access charge is one such. Yes, some of them are taxes,
> but you don't see see a "property tax" surcharge for their buildings,
> or a "Social Security tax" surcharge for their payroll taxes, or
> "cell site lease" surcharge.
>
> I have no problem with the companies recovering the expenses of those
> fees; it's the tacking on of them as they are ringing up the total for
> the sale that gets to me.

I agree. It would be nice if there was something like the Truth In Lending
regulation. I thought I heard of something that was a step in this
direction?

-Quick

 

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Killer Madness <killermo@cnet.com> wrote:
> Chris, most people on here will respond with, "did you read the fine print",
> or "well, there are always taxes and surcharges all the time".

Bullshit. You find me a $90 plan that has $40 in taxes and fees. That's
why I asked for the details.

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I've never seen a CHEAPER BASTARD then this one

ADIOS AMIGO




"Chris Eilersen" <nospam@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:10ft1lld4smva8a@corp.supernews.com...
> Well, I guess all cellular companies lie - but I happen to be with Verizon
> now.
>
> The $89.95 IN package" actually costs $129.95. If you take the time for
the
> explation from customer service regarding taxes, surcharges, etc., you
will
> wind up breaking your land line phone (as I did) in frustration.
>
> When asked to repeat the charges and explain, the rep was at a total loss,
> frustrated and probably broke her phone as well.
>
> Another 2 years shot to he#*.
>
> (I guess this is why land lines are still around..)
>
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>
>

 

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:36:16 -0700, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
>you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.

You did? What's the name of the plan? I couldn't find any $0 long
distance plans from AT&T.

I have Verizon long distance that costs $0 if I don't use it, but they're
changing it to a $1.50 monthly fee effective in August or September.

 

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Bob Scheurle wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:36:16 -0700, "Quick"
> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
>> you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.
>
> You did? What's the name of the plan? I couldn't find any $0 long
> distance plans from AT&T.
>
> I have Verizon long distance that costs $0 if I don't use it, but
> they're changing it to a $1.50 monthly fee effective in August or
> September.

You may have to wait until I get my next bill. I just glance at it
to see if my $15 credit (which had been there for over a year)
is still there and toss it.

I'm in the South Bay area (San Jose) and have SBC for local
service. I originally got some $0 AT&T plan with a $10 credit
to pay for the switch -- the $10 can only be used as a credit
towards the bill, don't know if I would get a check if I canceled...
It comes with some sort of call management feature. Has some
tools but the only one I was interested in was the ability to apply
a code that you have to punch in to make a long distance call.
(the 3 kids, 6 and under, sort of know how to dial). After a
year or so I got a bill for $5. I called and they said they had
discontinued that plan but I could switch to another. Same
deal but I think it has higher per minute long distance charges.
Something like $0.15 or $0.19 per minute? I have no idea and
don't care since we haven't made a long distance call from the
land line for years. Still has the management feature. They fixed
the charge and credited me an additional $5 for my inconvenience.

-Quick

 

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In article <OfmdndRRcst0RmPd4p2dnA@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net says...
>
>
>Chris Eilersen <nospam@chartermi.net> wrote:
>> Well, I guess all cellular companies lie - but I happen to be with Verizon
>> now.
>>
>> The $89.95 IN package" actually costs $129.95.
>
>No cellular plan that I've *ever* used has taxes and fees totalling almost
>50% of the total bill. Verizon or otherwise.

When I was with Sprint their fees and taxes added up to 33% of the base
price. Another reason why I took my number to verizon.
------------
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Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> The $89.95 IN package" actually costs $129.95.
>>
>>No cellular plan that I've *ever* used has taxes and fees totalling almost
>>50% of the total bill. Verizon or otherwise.
>
> When I was with Sprint their fees and taxes added up to 33% of the base
> price. Another reason why I took my number to verizon.

Thank you - 33% still is not 50%. I've never heard of *anyone* paying
$40 in taxes on a $90 bill. I used to pay Verizon MORE than $90 per month
and still only had about $10-15 in taxes and fees every month. I'm seeing a
similar situation with Sprint.

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:16:13 -0700, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>You may have to wait until I get my next bill. I just glance at it
>to see if my $15 credit (which had been there for over a year)
>is still there and toss it.

It may not matter. AT&T announced today they're not interested in the
residential long distance market anymore.

 

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In article <0JmdnQ_Pp7xEiJ3cRVn-jA@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net says...

>Thank you - 33% still is not 50%. I've never heard of *anyone* paying
>$40 in taxes on a $90 bill. I used to pay Verizon MORE than $90 per month
>and still only had about $10-15 in taxes and fees every month. I'm seeing a
>similar situation with Sprint.

Sprint has more fees, and higher fees at that. So you can't directly
compare a $30 plan from sprint with a $30 plan from verizon. When I was
shopping I would always ask the final price after taxes and fees, but most
salesmen had not idea. They were clueless and wondered why I was asking.
-------------
Alex

 

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Alex Rodriguez <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:
> In article <0JmdnQ_Pp7xEiJ3cRVn-jA@lmi.net>, sjsobol@JustThe.net says...
>
>>Thank you - 33% still is not 50%. I've never heard of *anyone* paying
>>$40 in taxes on a $90 bill. I used to pay Verizon MORE than $90 per month
>>and still only had about $10-15 in taxes and fees every month. I'm seeing a
>>similar situation with Sprint.
>
> Sprint has more fees, and higher fees at that. So you can't directly
> compare a $30 plan from sprint with a $30 plan from verizon. When I was
> shopping I would always ask the final price after taxes and fees, but most
> salesmen had not idea. They were clueless and wondered why I was asking.

Your point may be totally valid, but it is still irrelevant.

Actually, to do an accurate comparison of one
bill to another, you have to look at actual details from both bills - even
if you're comparing two bills from different months from the same account
on the same carrier, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR DETAILS FROM THE ORIGINAL
POSTER, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT CITED IN THE ORIGINAL POST SOUNDS WAY HIGH.

I don't see what the point is of trying to redirect this conversation to
Sprint, because the original post was about Verizon. It'd be appreciated if
you could at least stick to the original topic, please.

And again I'd like to ask the original poster for DETAILS FROM AN ACTUAL
VERIZON BILL. I'm not saying that what was described *can't* happen, just that
I would be surprised if it *did* happen. I'm very curious as to how that bill
is broken down...

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:36:16 -0700, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
>you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.

I had LD completely removed from my land line, and BellSouth still
charges me that damn fee.

 

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Most ILEC's ( Verizon. SBC, etc ) will charge you a fee for not choosing a
LD plan.

Just choose plan that doesn't charge you a monthly fee and you should be
good.
Who cares what the per minute tariffs are if you never make a LD call on
that line ;-)

Scotty


"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:36:16 -0700, "Quick"
> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
> >you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.
>
> I had LD completely removed from my land line, and BellSouth still
> charges me that damn fee.

 

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Well, this is what we've done. What we're griping about is
the local service provider charging us for LD access.

-Quick

Scott Nelson - Wash DC wrote:
> Most ILEC's ( Verizon. SBC, etc ) will charge you a fee for not
> choosing a LD plan.
>
> Just choose plan that doesn't charge you a monthly fee and you should
> be good.
> Who cares what the per minute tariffs are if you never make a LD call
> on that line ;-)
>
> Scotty
>
>
> "The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
> news:i0c6g0tmk54uumeng4be1c55qf21lo5rjc@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:36:16 -0700, "Quick"
>> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At least I found an AT&T long distance plan that truly is $0 if
>>> you don't use it but I'm still paying SBC that access charge.
>>
>> I had LD completely removed from my land line, and BellSouth still
>> charges me that damn fee.

 

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:14:28 GMT, "Scott Nelson - Wash DC"
<spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote:

>Most ILEC's ( Verizon. SBC, etc ) will charge you a fee for not choosing a
>LD plan.
>
>Just choose plan that doesn't charge you a monthly fee and you should be
>good.
>Who cares what the per minute tariffs are if you never make a LD call on
>that line ;-)

I did. At the time I had two lines. When I had my LD carrier
switched from AT&T to what was then called Call-4-Cents, the order got
screwed up and only got applied to my second line. Then I dropped my
second line when I got DSL (and my AC plan with free LD), and it left
my primary line sitting there with no LD carrier assigned to it. It
was a screwup at the phone company.

As Quick said, it's not the surcharges from the LD company, it is the
$6+/- fee that BS charges every month to have access to the LD
network. I can still pick up my home phone and dial my 10-15-335 code
and get LD, it's just not "1 plus" service.

 

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:14:28 GMT, "Scott Nelson - Wash DC"
<spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote:
>Most ILEC's ( Verizon. SBC, etc ) will charge you a fee for not choosing a
>LD plan.
>Just choose plan that doesn't charge you a monthly fee and you should be
>good.
>Who cares what the per minute tariffs are if you never make a LD call on
>that line ;-)

Do you know of any such LD plans? All the ones I found had a monthly
fee, except for Verizon's "e-Values" plan and they're going to start
charging $1.50 per month as of September 1.

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Check out the CogniState and CogniWorld plans from Cognigen. There is no
monthly fee unless you want paper bills sent to you (they normally post the
detail call records on line in your account and you print them yourself if
you want hard copy).
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> >Just choose plan that doesn't charge you a monthly fee and you should be
> >good.

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>
> Do you know of any such LD plans?

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