1XRTT QNC Speed

[spike]

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Curisoity...When I use 1XRTT my phone shows
an upload and download of 9.6 kb/s. However,
when I run a speed test on internet it comes out
at anywhere from 50 to 100 kb/s. However, when
using 14.4 QNC the phone shows 14.4 kb/s both
on the phone on on the internet speed test. Appreciate
any insight..The 1XRTT clearly is much faster in
applications, but only shows 9.6 kb/s, wheras the
14.4 is clearly pretty slow, but shows 14.4 vs the
"faster" 9.6 kb/s. Thanks anybody

 

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Spike wrote:
> Curisoity...When I use 1XRTT my phone shows
> an upload and download of 9.6 kb/s. However,
> when I run a speed test on internet it comes out
> at anywhere from 50 to 100 kb/s. However, when
> using 14.4 QNC the phone shows 14.4 kb/s both
> on the phone on on the internet speed test. Appreciate
> any insight..The 1XRTT clearly is much faster in
> applications, but only shows 9.6 kb/s, wheras the
> 14.4 is clearly pretty slow, but shows 14.4 vs the
> "faster" 9.6 kb/s. Thanks anybody

What exactly is it that displays these speeds?
"When I use 1XRTT my phone shows ...". Is this
a function of the phone? Which phone?

Just in case... are you sure it's not displaying:

14.4 kb/s and 9.6 kB/s?

9.5 kB/s would be roughly equivalent to 80 kb/s.
(shot in the dark)

-Quick

 

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"Spike" <gator2@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
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> Curisoity...When I use 1XRTT my phone shows
> an upload and download of 9.6 kb/s. However,
> when I run a speed test on internet it comes out
> at anywhere from 50 to 100 kb/s. However, when
> using 14.4 QNC the phone shows 14.4 kb/s both
> on the phone on on the internet speed test. Appreciate
> any insight..The 1XRTT clearly is much faster in
> applications, but only shows 9.6 kb/s, wheras the
> 14.4 is clearly pretty slow, but shows 14.4 vs the
> "faster" 9.6 kb/s. Thanks anybody
>

I hate to tell you this, but the number shown on the screen means absolutely
nothing. A few years back there where wars to see who could get a bigger
number on the screen so people that didn't know better would buy those
phones. Heck, my Kyocera 2235 shows 230.6 KB for both QNC and NA, and my
friends nokia shows 950 KB!

Has to do with the numbers the programmers put in the actual driver itself
that are displayed. Not reality.... Example, ever hear people claim they get
19.2 with QNC? Not physically possible.

There are actually two numbers that you can only see with special hardware
that monitors DTE (Data Terminal Equipment speed) and DCE (Data
Communication Speed). One is the speed from the phone to the computer, and
the other is the phone to the tower. They had a choice of displaying two
actual speeds, and of course, for marketing reasons, picked a THIRD
number/that means nothing, but is bigger and makes the phones sell better.

 

[spike]

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"Thanks guys. I am aware of the difference between
kB/sec and kb/sec. I also understand the reason for
the 230 kb/sec which is for practical purposes meaningless.
What snows me is that in the case of the 14.4 kb/sec. it
gets it right in both instances. The on-line test that I run
is throughput for vs. time. It comes up right, but the phone,
only in the case of the QNC 14.4 kb/sec, but not with the
1XRTT in which the phone ONLY shows 9.6 when in
actuality 1XRTT is really from all indications doing
50 to 100 kb/sec. The phone is an AudioVox which I
use with Mobile Office. Thanks for the explanations.

 

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"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:2u39j2F23ammkU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Spike" <gator2@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
> news:2u3827F24t1p5U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Curisoity...When I use 1XRTT my phone shows
>> an upload and download of 9.6 kb/s. However,
>> when I run a speed test on internet it comes out
>> at anywhere from 50 to 100 kb/s. However, when
>> using 14.4 QNC the phone shows 14.4 kb/s both
>> on the phone on on the internet speed test. Appreciate
>> any insight..The 1XRTT clearly is much faster in
>> applications, but only shows 9.6 kb/s, wheras the
>> 14.4 is clearly pretty slow, but shows 14.4 vs the
>> "faster" 9.6 kb/s. Thanks anybody
>>
>
> I hate to tell you this, but the number shown on the screen means
> absolutely nothing. A few years back there where wars to see who could
> get a bigger number on the screen so people that didn't know better would
> buy those phones. Heck, my Kyocera 2235 shows 230.6 KB for both QNC and
> NA, and my friends nokia shows 950 KB!
>
> Has to do with the numbers the programmers put in the actual driver itself
> that are displayed. Not reality.... Example, ever hear people claim they
> get 19.2 with QNC? Not physically possible.
>
> There are actually two numbers that you can only see with special hardware
> that monitors DTE (Data Terminal Equipment speed) and DCE (Data
> Communication Speed). One is the speed from the phone to the computer, and
> the other is the phone to the tower. They had a choice of displaying two
> actual speeds, and of course, for marketing reasons, picked a THIRD
> number/that means nothing, but is bigger and makes the phones sell better.

I had a computer that showed 1024KB connection speed on a dial-up modem

 

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Spike wrote:
> "Thanks guys. I am aware of the difference between
> kB/sec and kb/sec. I also understand the reason for
> the 230 kb/sec which is for practical purposes meaningless.
> What snows me is that in the case of the 14.4 kb/sec. it
> gets it right in both instances. The on-line test that I run
> is throughput for vs. time. It comes up right, but the phone,
> only in the case of the QNC 14.4 kb/sec, but not with the
> 1XRTT in which the phone ONLY shows 9.6 when in
> actuality 1XRTT is really from all indications doing
> 50 to 100 kb/sec. The phone is an AudioVox which I
> use with Mobile Office. Thanks for the explanations.

How about this? With QNC you are talking to a "modem"
at the other end. With 1XRTT you are sending packets and
who knows what the circuit switched data portion of the
phone is doing (default/idle values?). It's probably getting
the numbers from the same place. Lists it as 9600 until
it "connects" and/or "trains" in the circuit switched case?
(wild speculation).

-Quick

 

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The reason you are seeing that is because 9.6 is the speed of the
fundamental channel (FCH) in 1XRTT. To achieve higher speeds, the system
allocates supplemental channels (SCH) up to 153kbps. Obviously, the phone
is not showing these speeds as the channels are allocated, perhaps because
of the speed. In some infrastructures, the SCH's are allocated in 320ms time
slices.

When using QNC, 14.4 is the speed of the channel, and there are no SCH's, so
that is what you get.

On a lot of phone models, the connection displayed can be the serial line
connection from the laptop to the phone, which is why you get 230 or even
the 850's. (I assume this is a USB connection)

Mike Gorman


"Spike" <gator2@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
news:2u3gsuF24doleU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Thanks guys. I am aware of the difference between
> kB/sec and kb/sec. I also understand the reason for
> the 230 kb/sec which is for practical purposes meaningless.
> What snows me is that in the case of the 14.4 kb/sec. it
> gets it right in both instances. The on-line test that I run
> is throughput for vs. time. It comes up right, but the phone,
> only in the case of the QNC 14.4 kb/sec, but not with the
> 1XRTT in which the phone ONLY shows 9.6 when in
> actuality 1XRTT is really from all indications doing
> 50 to 100 kb/sec. The phone is an AudioVox which I
> use with Mobile Office. Thanks for the explanations.
>
>

 

[spike]

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Thanks



"Mike Gorman" <mgorman1@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Co5fd.19962$Jb.272843@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> The reason you are seeing that is because 9.6 is the speed of the
> fundamental channel (FCH) in 1XRTT. To achieve higher speeds, the system
> allocates supplemental channels (SCH) up to 153kbps. Obviously, the phone
> is not showing these speeds as the channels are allocated, perhaps because
> of the speed. In some infrastructures, the SCH's are allocated in 320ms
> time
> slices.
>
> When using QNC, 14.4 is the speed of the channel, and there are no SCH's,
> so
> that is what you get.
>
> On a lot of phone models, the connection displayed can be the serial line
> connection from the laptop to the phone, which is why you get 230 or even
> the 850's. (I assume this is a USB connection)
>
> Mike Gorman
>
>
> "Spike" <gator2@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
> news:2u3gsuF24doleU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "Thanks guys. I am aware of the difference between
>> kB/sec and kb/sec. I also understand the reason for
>> the 230 kb/sec which is for practical purposes meaningless.
>> What snows me is that in the case of the 14.4 kb/sec. it
>> gets it right in both instances. The on-line test that I run
>> is throughput for vs. time. It comes up right, but the phone,
>> only in the case of the QNC 14.4 kb/sec, but not with the
>> 1XRTT in which the phone ONLY shows 9.6 when in
>> actuality 1XRTT is really from all indications doing
>> 50 to 100 kb/sec. The phone is an AudioVox which I
>> use with Mobile Office. Thanks for the explanations.
>>
>>
>
>

 

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In article <1098685337.498779@sj-nntpcache-3>,
Quick <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>How about this? With QNC you are talking to a "modem" at the other end.

With QNC, if you dial #777, there is no modem at the other end; it goes
directly onto the VZW data network to the Internet. If you dial a real
phone number, then it does go to a modem to call up your ISP at number
you specified. That is why #777 connects so quickly: it doesn't have to
go through the modem mating ritual. With 1xRTT you don't have the choice
of calling your ISP; only #777, and the direct access to the VZW network,
is available.