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Anonymous
August 19, 2004 7:50:12 PM

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Hi.

Newbie question ...

What's the difference between "Work" and "Internet" related to WLAN
setup of my iPAQ (WM2003)?

TIA

--
Georges

More about : work internet

Anonymous
August 19, 2004 7:50:13 PM

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As I understand it, it affects how the PPC handles addresses, since most
internet addresses are dotted, and internal corporate ones mostly are not.
Most folks seem to work effectively by setting things to 'work' and going to
the proxy screen and checking the 'this network connects to the internet'
box, but not filling any proxy info in. I understand that this isn't a
viable solution if you actually want to VPN into a corporate network from an
external location. In that case I think you need to be in 'internet' because
the VPN functionality doesn't function in 'work'.

It has always been one of the great mysteries of PPC networking.

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"Georges Heinesch" <nomorespam@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
news:2ojpglFan12nU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hi.
>
> Newbie question ...
>
> What's the difference between "Work" and "Internet" related to WLAN
> setup of my iPAQ (WM2003)?
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Georges
Anonymous
August 19, 2004 7:50:14 PM

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Chris De Herrera has a nice write up on this...

http://www.cewindows.net/faqs/connectionmanager.htm

--
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"Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23TtGaxfhEHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> As I understand it, it affects how the PPC handles addresses, since most
> internet addresses are dotted, and internal corporate ones mostly are not.
> Most folks seem to work effectively by setting things to 'work' and going to
> the proxy screen and checking the 'this network connects to the internet'
> box, but not filling any proxy info in. I understand that this isn't a
> viable solution if you actually want to VPN into a corporate network from an
> external location. In that case I think you need to be in 'internet' because
> the VPN functionality doesn't function in 'work'.
>
> It has always been one of the great mysteries of PPC networking.
>
> --
> Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
> "Georges Heinesch" <nomorespam@nomorespam.com> wrote in message
> news:2ojpglFan12nU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Hi.
>>
>> Newbie question ...
>>
>> What's the difference between "Work" and "Internet" related to WLAN
>> setup of my iPAQ (WM2003)?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> --
>> Georges
>
>
Anonymous
August 20, 2004 3:05:23 PM

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Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices wrote:

> As I understand it, it affects how the PPC handles addresses, since most
> internet addresses are dotted, and internal corporate ones mostly are not.
> Most folks seem to work effectively by setting things to 'work' and going to
> the proxy screen and checking the 'this network connects to the internet'
> box, but not filling any proxy info in.

I did exactly what you described above, but the "this network connects
to the Internet" button doesn't remain on if I leave the screen. Hence,
I cannot connect to the Internet while using Work.

> I understand that this isn't a
> viable solution if you actually want to VPN into a corporate network from an
> external location. In that case I think you need to be in 'internet' because
> the VPN functionality doesn't function in 'work'.
>
> It has always been one of the great mysteries of PPC networking.

Indeed.

To summarize ... if I use "Work", I can access my shares but I cannot
access Internet. If I use "Internet", it's the other way round.

Why the **** can't I do both together, access the Internet and my shares?

TIA

--
Georges
Anonymous
August 20, 2004 4:43:35 PM

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Sooner Al wrote:

> Chris De Herrera has a nice write up on this...
>
> http://www.cewindows.net/faqs/connectionmanager.htm

Very interesting!

These pages say:

---- cut here ----

Function The Internet Work
Internet Access Allows for direct Requires the user to
internet access check the option that the connection allows
internet access

---- cut here ----

I believe that the option "Requires the user to check the option ..." is
related to the Proxy settings, like Sven described it in the previous
post, but as I said, this option doesn't remain on for some reason (WM2003).

Any ideas?

--
Georges
Anonymous
August 20, 2004 4:43:36 PM

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Yeah, I have seen others complain about this. When you make the change in the Connection Manager are
you backing all the way out first, ie. make the change then tap Ok until you exit the Connection
Manager completely? That seems to be the key, at least for some folks...including doing a soft reset
immediately afterwards...

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"Georges Heinesch" <nomorespam@nomorespam.com> wrote in message news:2om2unFbqjatU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Sooner Al wrote:
>
>> Chris De Herrera has a nice write up on this...
>>
>> http://www.cewindows.net/faqs/connectionmanager.htm
>
> Very interesting!
>
> These pages say:
>
> ---- cut here ----
>
> Function The Internet Work
> Internet Access Allows for direct Requires the user to
> internet access check the option that the connection allows
> internet access
>
> ---- cut here ----
>
> I believe that the option "Requires the user to check the option ..." is related to the Proxy
> settings, like Sven described it in the previous post, but as I said, this option doesn't remain
> on for some reason (WM2003).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> Georges
Anonymous
August 20, 2004 8:32:42 PM

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Sooner Al wrote:

> Yeah, I have seen others complain about this. When you make the change
> in the Connection Manager are you backing all the way out first, ie.
> make the change then tap Ok until you exit the Connection Manager
> completely? That seems to be the key, at least for some
> folks...including doing a soft reset immediately afterwards...

I tried evey possible combination. I left the button activated and made
a soft reset, I went back (using "OK") until I left the Connection
Manager completely ... nothing made the button stay on. As sson as
entering the Connection Manager / Proxy settings, it was off again ;)  !

--
Georges
Anonymous
August 20, 2004 8:32:43 PM

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Well, a hard reset may be in order. Its been known to fix all kind of flaky problems with these
devices...

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"Georges Heinesch" <nomorespam@nomorespam.com> wrote in message news:2omgcbFcds5cU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Sooner Al wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I have seen others complain about this. When you make the change in the Connection Manager
>> are you backing all the way out first, ie. make the change then tap Ok until you exit the
>> Connection Manager completely? That seems to be the key, at least for some folks...including
>> doing a soft reset immediately afterwards...
>
> I tried evey possible combination. I left the button activated and made a soft reset, I went back
> (using "OK") until I left the Connection Manager completely ... nothing made the button stay on.
> As sson as entering the Connection Manager / Proxy settings, it was off again ;)  !
>
> --
> Georges
Anonymous
August 21, 2004 11:43:12 PM

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In article <2om2unFbqjatU1@uni-berlin.de>, Georges Heinesch wrote:
>
> I believe that the option "Requires the user to check the option ..." is
> related to the Proxy settings, like Sven described it in the previous
> post, but as I said, this option doesn't remain on for some reason (WM2003).
>
> Any ideas?
>
At work I need to access the internet through a proxy server. At home I
don't. My pocketPC settings refelect this - so at home my PPC connects
transparently to my home wireless network and when at work it connects to the
network there and uses the proxy. I don't need to do anything at all.

The only time I need to manually select a network is when I want to connect to
the Internet through my mobile phone & GPRS. In this case I select 'Bluetooth'
instead of 'Home'.

It doesn't take much setting up. The first time my PPC discovered my work
wireless network it allowed me to tell it it was 'work' and asked for the
authentication code. I then entered the proxy details and it was plain sailing
from there on.

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Anonymous
August 22, 2004 2:12:38 PM

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Phillip Deackes wrote:

> At work I need to access the internet through a proxy server. At home I
> don't. My pocketPC settings refelect this - so at home my PPC connects
> transparently to my home wireless network and when at work it connects to the
> network there and uses the proxy. I don't need to do anything at all.

Are you also able to to access shares at the same time on both places?

My issue slightly differs from yours. I only need to connect at home
(WLAN, no proxy or VPN), but I need access to the shares simultaniously
as I do need access to the Internet.

At this time, I need to change from Work to Internet in order to achieve
this. My goal is to do it without changing anything within my PPC settings.

TIA

--
Georges
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 1:19:49 PM

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Sooner Al wrote:

> Well, a hard reset may be in order. Its been known to fix all kind of
> flaky problems with these devices...

I tried a hard reset as well. It didn't work. I still cannot select
"This network connects to the Internet" (within the "Set up my proxy
server").

There must be something I am missing here.

Once again, the question is related to WM2003.

Any help would be appreciated!

Many thanks!

--
Georges
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 1:19:50 PM

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This behaviour exists on my 5550 as well, you can't change the settings
because they revert to the previous settings as soon as you exit the
settings pages, making it impossible to set your preferences.
this also happens after hard resetting without restoring any applications.
I've not managed to get around it myself, I just set up my connection
and then leave it like that and never touch the configuration. it seemed
to work ok like that till recently when I added a D-Link 604 broadband
router to my network. now I have garbled IP addresses on my iPAQ because
DHCP is broken when using WLAN.



~S.






Georges Heinesch <nomorespam@nomorespam.com> wrote in news:2pnvsmFnb6qhU1
@uni-berlin.de:

> I tried a hard reset as well. It didn't work. I still cannot select
> "This network connects to the Internet" (within the "Set up my proxy
> server").
>
> There must be something I am missing here.
>
> Once again, the question is related to WM2003.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!
>
> Many thanks!
>










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======================
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HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
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Anonymous
September 2, 2004 4:01:41 PM

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Ace,

I think that if you change this setting and press the X button many times,
until you go back to the Connections page, the change you have made will
stick. This is what happens in my device. It is a little uncomfortable to
have to make the changes one-by-one, but it does work.


--
Helio Diamant - MS/MVP Mobile Devices
http://www.pocketpcfreak.com


"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955865077AF1DFearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> This behaviour exists on my 5550 as well, you can't change the settings
> because they revert to the previous settings as soon as you exit the
> settings pages, making it impossible to set your preferences.
> this also happens after hard resetting without restoring any applications.
> I've not managed to get around it myself, I just set up my connection
> and then leave it like that and never touch the configuration. it seemed
> to work ok like that till recently when I added a D-Link 604 broadband
> router to my network. now I have garbled IP addresses on my iPAQ because
> DHCP is broken when using WLAN.
>
>
>
> ~S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Georges Heinesch <nomorespam@nomorespam.com> wrote in news:2pnvsmFnb6qhU1
> @uni-berlin.de:
>
> > I tried a hard reset as well. It didn't work. I still cannot select
> > "This network connects to the Internet" (within the "Set up my proxy
> > server").
> >
> > There must be something I am missing here.
> >
> > Once again, the question is related to WM2003.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ======================
> ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
> OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
> iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
> HTTP://www.xarane.com
> ======================
> Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
> 9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
> HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
> http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 4:01:42 PM

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Thanks, yes it does work when you set it, and go through all the exits.
it's just annoying that as soon as you re-enter the Connections page,
that WM becomes 'helpful' and changes it for you ;) 


~S.






"Helio Diamant - MS/MVP, Mobile Devices" <helio@nospam.pocketpcfreak.com>
wrote in news:e0iupzMkEHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> Ace,
>
> I think that if you change this setting and press the X button many times,
> until you go back to the Connections page, the change you have made will
> stick. This is what happens in my device. It is a little uncomfortable to
> have to make the changes one-by-one, but it does work.
>
>



--
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 4:01:43 PM

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Yeah it becomes even worse when you use a bluetooth connection. Everytime
you make a change to the bluetooth settings it forces both the "internet"
and "work" settings to the bluetooth device. Arrgghh

--
Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)

The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...



"ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955884502177FFearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> Thanks, yes it does work when you set it, and go through all the exits.
> it's just annoying that as soon as you re-enter the Connections page,
> that WM becomes 'helpful' and changes it for you ;) 
>
>
> ~S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Helio Diamant - MS/MVP, Mobile Devices" <helio@nospam.pocketpcfreak.com>
> wrote in news:e0iupzMkEHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>
>> Ace,
>>
>> I think that if you change this setting and press the X button many
>> times,
>> until you go back to the Connections page, the change you have made will
>> stick. This is what happens in my device. It is a little uncomfortable to
>> have to make the changes one-by-one, but it does work.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ======================
> ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
> OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
> iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
> HTTP://www.xarane.com
> ======================
> Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
> 9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
> HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
> http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 4:01:44 PM

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I just noticed that two nights ago too.. how peculiar!

I don't touch Bluetooth anymore either once it's set up, it fails to
remember my preferences regarding security and encryption anyway
once I turn the radio off or soft reset.

I avoid unwanted changes by first setting up Bluetooth and then
Wireless LAN. after that, I never touch it again until it breaks.
a lot of work on a PPC for things that can seem so simple on a desktop
computer. some day it'll be fixed. right? ;) 


~S.






"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
wrote in news:#IuJEHPkEHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

> Yeah it becomes even worse when you use a bluetooth connection.
> Everytime you make a change to the bluetooth settings it forces both the
> "internet" and "work" settings to the bluetooth device. Arrgghh
>






--
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 4:37:44 PM

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In addition to what I said about the Bluetooth settings not sticking, I just
tracked the cause down. it's Spb Pocket Plus (version 1.3.0. Build 59).



~S.







> "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> wrote in news:#IuJEHPkEHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
>> Yeah it becomes even worse when you use a bluetooth connection.
>> Everytime you make a change to the bluetooth settings it forces both the
>> "internet" and "work" settings to the bluetooth device. Arrgghh






--
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 4:42:34 PM

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Hitting send too fast can cause headaches later ;) 

I meant to say, Spb Pocket Plus's -close button- function.
if you turn it off (the X becomes the default minimize again) then the
settings in the BT manager stick. when on, you lose them on the next
soft reset or BT radio toggle.



~S.





> "Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com>
> wrote in news:#IuJEHPkEHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
>> Yeah it becomes even worse when you use a bluetooth connection.
>> Everytime you make a change to the bluetooth settings it forces both the
>> "internet" and "work" settings to the bluetooth device. Arrgghh





--
======================
ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
September 2, 2004 6:40:51 PM

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that didnt happen on mine - perhaps because i entered them manually in the
"work" profile rather than use the bluetooth manager?

spammy

"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:%23IuJEHPkEHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Yeah it becomes even worse when you use a bluetooth connection. Everytime
> you make a change to the bluetooth settings it forces both the "internet"
> and "work" settings to the bluetooth device. Arrgghh
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns955884502177FFearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> > Thanks, yes it does work when you set it, and go through all the exits.
> > it's just annoying that as soon as you re-enter the Connections page,
> > that WM becomes 'helpful' and changes it for you ;) 
> >
> >
> > ~S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Helio Diamant - MS/MVP, Mobile Devices"
<helio@nospam.pocketpcfreak.com>
> > wrote in news:e0iupzMkEHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
> >
> >> Ace,
> >>
> >> I think that if you change this setting and press the X button many
> >> times,
> >> until you go back to the Connections page, the change you have made
will
> >> stick. This is what happens in my device. It is a little uncomfortable
to
> >> have to make the changes one-by-one, but it does work.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ======================
> > ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
> > OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
> > iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
> > HTTP://www.xarane.com
> > ======================
> > Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
> > 9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
> > HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
> >
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
>
>
Anonymous
September 2, 2004 9:00:37 PM

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Really?

This doesn't happen to me... maybe because none of my devices is an HP...

--
Helio Diamant - MS/MVP Mobile Devices
http://www.pocketpcfreak.com


"Eric Hicks [MVP, Windows Mobile devices]" <e_dadu@nomospam.yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:%23IuJEHPkEHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Yeah it becomes even worse when you use a bluetooth connection. Everytime
> you make a change to the bluetooth settings it forces both the "internet"
> and "work" settings to the bluetooth device. Arrgghh
>
> --
> Eric Hicks [That_Kid] (MS-MVP Mobile Devices)
>
> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights...
>
>
>
> "ACE!!!" <ace_rules_bbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns955884502177FFearIsTheMindKiller@207.46.248.16...
> > Thanks, yes it does work when you set it, and go through all the exits.
> > it's just annoying that as soon as you re-enter the Connections page,
> > that WM becomes 'helpful' and changes it for you ;) 
> >
> >
> > ~S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Helio Diamant - MS/MVP, Mobile Devices"
<helio@nospam.pocketpcfreak.com>
> > wrote in news:e0iupzMkEHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
> >
> >> Ace,
> >>
> >> I think that if you change this setting and press the X button many
> >> times,
> >> until you go back to the Connections page, the change you have made
will
> >> stick. This is what happens in my device. It is a little uncomfortable
to
> >> have to make the changes one-by-one, but it does work.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ======================
> > ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
> > OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
> > iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
> > HTTP://www.xarane.com
> > ======================
> > Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
> > 9897 Total Signatures on Tuesday, Aug. 24th 2004!
> > HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
> >
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer...
>
>
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