Sprite back Up

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Hi Everyone

Read a lot of good things about Sprite Back Up. Does it enable you to back
up the SD & CF Cards as well as the internal data, Is the premium edition
worth the extra money.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Martin Oliver

 

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>> Does it enable you to back up the SD & CF Cards <<

There are two issues at play with this question that you should consider.

The first is that cards a much less vulnerable to data loss that ram
plus the fact that the cards themselves are "loosable" so backing them
us is not _as_ critical.

The second is that space on a card is at a premium, so, if you have
512meg card and back up RAM plus the Card contents to itself, you will
end up with only about 200meg of usable space on the card.

My suggestion would be to use Sprite to back up ram to either card,
then, each time you are at a PC, use a card reader and a PC program to
backup each card to the pc. That way, you also benefit from two copies
of the RAM backup which includes PIM data.

I use FileSync from http/fileware.com to do this which also allows
updating items on the card as well and assures that I have two full
copies of each card. File Explorer in XP also allows this to be done
between a hard disk and card reader... tools/sync

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

 

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Reply to message from "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]"
<BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> (Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:46:26) about ""Re: Sprite
back Up"":

BH> The first is that cards a much less vulnerable to data loss that ram
BH> plus the fact that the cards themselves are "loosable" so backing them
BH> us is not _ as_ critical.


The rest of the post was a good response, but having recovered a 1 gig card
just last night I found a LOT of irreplaceable data was missing. Thank
goodness for Rescuepro, but I will be a bit more timely about backing up
the sd card in the future, or at least certain folders that are too large
to reasonably keep on the device itself. I do definitely advocate keepng a
ram backup on the sd card(and up to date), but I found that the bulk of the
unique data accumulates on the sd card.

 

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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:46:26 -0600, "Beverly Howard
[Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote:

>The first is that cards a much less vulnerable to data loss that ram
>plus the fact that the cards themselves are "loosable" so backing them
>us is not _as_ critical.
Depends. Should you back up what is on the cf/sd card? Depends on how
important the file is and how long it would take to replace/recreate
the file. One thing I wish Activesync did was to allow me to
copy to and from the SD/Cf card directly and automatically.

I now have a 9 card reader on the desktop that reads CF cards,
but i've never liked how the PPC handles CF/SD cards. When I
insert a SD card in my digital camera the camera automatically
defaults to it and writes to it. I wish the PPC did that.





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You must also consider that unless you have two removable memory slots,
backing up an SD card to a file on that SD card isn't especially valuable.
Bev's suggestion about backing the SD or CF to the hard drive is most
appropriate.

--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"xTenn" <xtennremovethispart@tds.net> wrote in message
news:1103412348@xtennremovethispart.tds.net...
> Reply to message from "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]"
> <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> (Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:46:26) about ""Re: Sprite
> back Up"":
>
> BH> The first is that cards a much less vulnerable to data loss that ram
> BH> plus the fact that the cards themselves are "loosable" so backing
them
> BH> us is not _ as_ critical.
>
>
> The rest of the post was a good response, but having recovered a 1 gig
card
> just last night I found a LOT of irreplaceable data was missing. Thank
> goodness for Rescuepro, but I will be a bit more timely about backing up
> the sd card in the future, or at least certain folders that are too large
> to reasonably keep on the device itself. I do definitely advocate keepng a
> ram backup on the sd card(and up to date), but I found that the bulk of
the
> unique data accumulates on the sd card.

 

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Thank you both for your advice

Martin

 

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Reply to message from "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com>
(Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:30:45) about ""Re: Sprite back Up"":

SM> You must also consider that unless you have two removable memory
SM> slots, backing up an SD card to a file on that SD card isn't
SM> especially valuable. Bev's suggestion about backing the SD or CF to
SM> the hard drive is most appropriate.

Absolutey. I am trying to point out that sometimes the most important data
is on the card, not the device. While backing up the device to a card is
great in case of a problem, memory loss, etc. it might be the loss of a
storage card that does the most damage. Of course backing up a card to
itself does not deserve discussion - a damaged fat will take out the card
and its backup in short order.

 

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We got it all covered.

--
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"xTenn" <xtennremovethispart@tds.net> wrote in message
news:1103434326@xtennremovethispart.tds.net...
> Reply to message from "Sven, MVP-Mobile Devices" <sejohannsen@hotmail.com>
> (Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:30:45) about ""Re: Sprite back Up"":
>
> SM> You must also consider that unless you have two removable memory
> SM> slots, backing up an SD card to a file on that SD card isn't
> SM> especially valuable. Bev's suggestion about backing the SD or CF to
> SM> the hard drive is most appropriate.
>
> Absolutey. I am trying to point out that sometimes the most important data
> is on the card, not the device. While backing up the device to a card is
> great in case of a problem, memory loss, etc. it might be the loss of a
> storage card that does the most damage. Of course backing up a card to
> itself does not deserve discussion - a damaged fat will take out the card
> and its backup in short order.

 

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>> most valuable data on the card <<

Don't disbute that, just that, when mobile, backing up card data is not
an easy process and, except for mobile data collection, important card
data can normally be handled semiautomatically when you are at a desktop
or laptop.

To deal with backing up mobile collected data, a good schema is to
collect to ram and back up ram to card so that you have two copies when
moble.

Back to your 1 gig corruption... any idea how it was corrupted... i.e.
was it a microdrive or do you go through card swaps?

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]

 

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Reply to message from "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]"
<BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> (Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:35:02) about ""Re: Sprite
back Up"":


BH> To deal with backing up mobile collected data, a good schema is to
BH> collect to ram and back up ram to card so that you have two copies
BH> when moble.

True, if the data normally resides on the device, not the sd card. Mobile
data that is in some cases written directly to the card exists in only one
place (and again backing up a card to itself is not a real option).
Compared to ram an SD card is MUCH better, but things do happen as I found
out. Just trying to share with folks, as a courtesy.


BH> Back to your 1 gig corruption... any idea how it was corrupted... i.e.
BH> was it a microdrive or do you go through card swaps?

1 gig sandisk card-corruption while inside the pocketpc, not removed for
days and constantly used. I suddenly had only 2 small directories , despite
928 meg in use. I may have jostled the card set getting the device out of
its case, dropped it one time too many, can't be certain but will not rule
out operator error. Rescuepro got back 95% of the good stuff. Being
paranoid I wrote a quick program to write and read the card in the device
(after a good format), and it checked fine after running overnight and
more. I had been slack about backing up the card, so in all it wasn't a bad
experience with a lesson.

 

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There have been a number of card corruption issues reported with SD vs
CF card, so I have been reluctant to fully trust SD compared to a pretty
good respect for CF card integrity.

sandisk has, unfortunately, been high on the SD card problem list here.

Note, also, that the PPC does not maintain two FAT's to allow 16bit apps
to access long filename files and folders. I've tried to follow the 8.3
naming rule for all card folders and, while I have no proof, think that
it may be a factor in having a low memory card incidence over almost
four years.

Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices]