I Hate My 4705!!!

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I'm getting ready to dump this friggen device for a Dell v50x. I bought it
for the longer battery life and larger screen. Little did I know at the
time that the Dell would/has faster video and the 4705 would give me such
trouble.

Major issues:
1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no such
problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket it wont
turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level. Twice I've gone
to plug the unit in only to find out the unit completely drained and I lost
everything. The Dell has a switch in which you can disable all buttons and
screen.

2. The touch pad is absolutely USELESS. My PPC is a wireless email/contact
keeper/game unit. I can't play half my games because that pad is completely
unresponsive and slow. Granted I took a huge risk on this but I bought it
at CompUSA which has a restocking fee. But I got the extended warranty
where they replace if ANYTHING goes wrong.

So I have two questions.

1. What are other people doing to combat these issues? Please only respond
if you have the same issues and don't just tell me to keep it out of my
pocket. Maybe I can just deal with it for a little longer.

or

2. What can I do to the unit to make it completely dead? Nothing too
drastic even though CompUSA says I can throw it against the wall and bring
it in for replacement I'd rather not show 100% incompetence. Just enough to
kill the unit so I can get a replacement and sell the next one as new or
refurbished.

Thanks in advance for any useful advise!
Justin
 
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"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> I'm getting ready to dump this friggen device for a Dell v50x. I bought
> it for the longer battery life and larger screen. Little did I know at
> the time that the Dell would/has faster video and the 4705 would give me
> such trouble.
>

1. What kind of video player are you using? Beta player is fast on ipaqs,
as is Pocket MVP and pocket TV.


2. Go to Setting\personal\buttons\lock and toggle on Disable all buttons but
power button Otherwise you WILL turn it on accidently. Ususally for me it
was the record button, which had the nasty habit of recording random
snippets to main memory. After this, no problem.

3. Most games (and emulators) will let you remap to the hardware buttons,
avoiding the pad for playing games.
 
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1. Not that kind of video. The whole graphics processor on the unit is
faster. Thus games run faster. More so in the 3D arena.

2. That's an excellent idea! For me it was usualy the record button as
well. Hopefully turning off that button which I never use (maybe a game or
two) will limit the accidental turn ons enough for the unit to be pocket
friendly.

3. Not enough buttons. The average game used at least 6 buttons. Up, down,
left, right then at least two action buttons. I dont have enough buttons to
remap the touch pad. For some games that would work and I do as such for
those. Touch screen games of course are no problem.

Thanks xTenn!
 
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"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
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> Major issues:
> 1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
> such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
> it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
> Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
> completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
> which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>
>

Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable

This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:13:01 -0800, "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

>I'm getting ready to dump this friggen device for a Dell v50x. I bought it
>for the longer battery life and larger screen. Little did I know at the
>time that the Dell would/has faster video and the 4705 would give me such
>trouble.
>
>Major issues:
>1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no such
>problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket it wont
>turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level. Twice I've gone
>to plug the unit in only to find out the unit completely drained and I lost
>everything. The Dell has a switch in which you can disable all buttons and
>screen.
>
>2. The touch pad is absolutely USELESS. My PPC is a wireless email/contact
>keeper/game unit. I can't play half my games because that pad is completely
>unresponsive and slow. Granted I took a huge risk on this but I bought it
>at CompUSA which has a restocking fee. But I got the extended warranty
>where they replace if ANYTHING goes wrong.
>
>So I have two questions.
>
>1. What are other people doing to combat these issues? Please only respond
>if you have the same issues and don't just tell me to keep it out of my
>pocket. Maybe I can just deal with it for a little longer.
>
>or
>
>2. What can I do to the unit to make it completely dead? Nothing too
>drastic even though CompUSA says I can throw it against the wall and bring
>it in for replacement I'd rather not show 100% incompetence. Just enough to
>kill the unit so I can get a replacement and sell the next one as new or
>refurbished.
>
>Thanks in advance for any useful advise!
>Justin
>

1. Get a cover for it, protects it from damage as well.
2. Do your homework.
 
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ALWAYS make a FULLY INFORMED decision. Impulse buys usually come back to
slap you in the face.

A User wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:13:01 -0800, "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm getting ready to dump this friggen device for a Dell v50x. I bought it
>>for the longer battery life and larger screen. Little did I know at the
>>time that the Dell would/has faster video and the 4705 would give me such
>>trouble.
>>
>>Major issues:
>>1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no such
>>problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket it wont
>>turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level. Twice I've gone
>>to plug the unit in only to find out the unit completely drained and I lost
>>everything. The Dell has a switch in which you can disable all buttons and
>>screen.
>>
>>2. The touch pad is absolutely USELESS. My PPC is a wireless email/contact
>>keeper/game unit. I can't play half my games because that pad is completely
>>unresponsive and slow. Granted I took a huge risk on this but I bought it
>>at CompUSA which has a restocking fee. But I got the extended warranty
>>where they replace if ANYTHING goes wrong.
>>
>>So I have two questions.
>>
>>1. What are other people doing to combat these issues? Please only respond
>>if you have the same issues and don't just tell me to keep it out of my
>>pocket. Maybe I can just deal with it for a little longer.
>>
>>or
>>
>>2. What can I do to the unit to make it completely dead? Nothing too
>>drastic even though CompUSA says I can throw it against the wall and bring
>>it in for replacement I'd rather not show 100% incompetence. Just enough to
>>kill the unit so I can get a replacement and sell the next one as new or
>>refurbished.
>>
>>Thanks in advance for any useful advise!
>>Justin
>>
>
>
> 1. Get a cover for it, protects it from damage as well.
> 2. Do your homework.
 
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1. It has a cover. I tried a bigger cover that covers the whole unit but
the buttons still get pressed inside the cover.
2. Been there, done that. Now I'm asking.
 
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You are absolutely correct. Good thing I didn't impulse buy this unit.
These are all things you don't find out until after buying. I already said
I took a huge risk on the touch pad but I wanted the other features more.
When I do switch to Dell I will miss the battery life and bigger screen
greatly. But the touch pad is just completely useless.

I used the pad as much as I could in the store and it seemed like it would
work ok. But I guess ok wasn't nearly enough.

Another member on this newsgroup was able to post "useful" information and
helped with the button issue. So one down and one to go.
 
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When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards to
record or wake up???


"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
> "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
> news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>
>> Major issues:
>> 1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
>> such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
>> it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>> Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>> completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>> which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>
>>
>
> Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>
> This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>
> Scott
 
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I have both. I charge at work, at home and in the car. The unit is somehow
being allowed to turn back on after the threshold as I would assume the unit
would last many hours after initially turning off by itself. Both times in
which I lost all data the unit was in my pocket while I was "out and about".
For example, spending the day on Santa Monica Pier in California before
seeing Cavalia on the beach (awesome show). After the show I went to use my
PCC which had a 100% charge earlier that morning and it was dead. After
getting into the car it was asking me to align the screen.

But that wont be a problem now that I can turn the buttons off.
 
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Personally, I find that the touch pad works great for real work. I'm
quite happy that it doesn't work well for games -- I'm taking your
word on that as I don't play games on it: in fact one of the first things
I did was delete the short cuts to the games the come installed so I
wouldn't even be tempted into those time wasters.


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Actually when it comes to everything else I use the PPC for I don't ever use
the directional buttons (every other PPC) or the touch pad (this PPC).

From my stand point I figure the buttons are only for games. I could
imagine a program that allowed scrolling/line selection but I don't use
anything like that.

Time wasters? Eh, I've got nothing else to do on 7 hour flights to and from
CA/NY. Heaven forbid I read a book :)



"Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com> wrote in message
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> Personally, I find that the touch pad works great for real work. I'm
> quite happy that it doesn't work well for games -- I'm taking your
> word on that as I don't play games on it: in fact one of the first things
> I did was delete the short cuts to the games the come installed so I
> wouldn't even be tempted into those time wasters.
>
>
> --
>><> Jeffrey Glen Jackson, son of Albert, son of George, son of <><
>><> Henry, son of Miles, son of Randolph, son of Ephraim, son of <><
>><> Thomas, son of John, son of Thomas, .... sonne of Jack. <><
> mailto:jeff@jeff-jackson.com http://www.jeff-jackson.com
> "The blithe 'reconstruction' not only of Q, not only of its different
> stages of composition, but even of complete communities whose
> beliefs are accurately reflected in these different stages, betokens
> a naive willingness to believe in anything as long as it is nothing
> like Mark (let alone Paul)." N. T. Wright
>
>
>
 
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Reply to message from "Jeffrey Glen Jackson" <msnews@jeff-jackson.com>
(Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:22:57) about ""Re: I Hate My 4705!!!"":

JG> I wouldn't even be tempted into those time wasters.


So, what is your view of usenet, then?

< insert rimshot here >

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"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:OWw4Qgl$EHA.1396
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards to
> record or wake up???
>
>
> "Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>> "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>> news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> Major issues:
>>> 1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
>>> such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
>>> it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>>> Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>>> completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>>> which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>>
>> This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>>
>> Scott
>
>

That's where this lives on my toshiba. Perhaps its in your "buttons" menu
somewhere

Scott
 
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I dont' see it anywhere. That option would be better then just turning off
all the buttons. Maybe it's in my registry.




"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E3AC2B0AACEscottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
> "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:OWw4Qgl$EHA.1396
> @tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>
>> When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards to
>> record or wake up???
>>
>>
>> "Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>> "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>>> news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> Major issues:
>>>> 1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
>>>> such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
>>>> it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>>>> Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>>>> completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>>>> which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>>>
>>> This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>>
>
> That's where this lives on my toshiba. Perhaps its in your "buttons" menu
> somewhere
>
> Scott
 
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I guarantee that none of this will be a problem after you violently
throw it against the wall. :)

David H

Justin Emlay wrote:
> I have both. I charge at work, at home and in the car. The unit is somehow
> being allowed to turn back on after the threshold as I would assume the unit
> would last many hours after initially turning off by itself. Both times in
> which I lost all data the unit was in my pocket while I was "out and about".
> For example, spending the day on Santa Monica Pier in California before
> seeing Cavalia on the beach (awesome show). After the show I went to use my
> PCC which had a 100% charge earlier that morning and it was dead. After
> getting into the car it was asking me to align the screen.
>
> But that wont be a problem now that I can turn the buttons off.
>
>
 
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I use Settings->Personal->Buttons->Lock Tab->When Device in Standby

Justin Emlay wrote:
> I dont' see it anywhere. That option would be better then just turning off
> all the buttons. Maybe it's in my registry.
>
>
>
>
> "Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95E3AC2B0AACEscottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>
>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:OWw4Qgl$EHA.1396
>>@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>
>>
>>>When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards to
>>>record or wake up???
>>>
>>>
>>>"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>>
>>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>>>>news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Major issues:
>>>>>1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
>>>>>such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
>>>>>it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>>>>>Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>>>>>completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>>>>>which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>>>>
>>>>This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>
>>>
>>That's where this lives on my toshiba. Perhaps its in your "buttons" menu
>>somewhere
>>
>>Scott
>
>
>
 
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That's what was offered up above. Actually I didn't realize that the
function only worked when the unit was in standby. I didn't read the entire
screen. So that is the ultimate button pushing solution.

Thanks for opening my eyes :)


"Nikki Casali" <nikki@ncSasPali.deAmoMn.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I use Settings->Personal->Buttons->Lock Tab->When Device in Standby
>
> Justin Emlay wrote:
>> I dont' see it anywhere. That option would be better then just turning
>> off all the buttons. Maybe it's in my registry.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95E3AC2B0AACEscottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>
>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:OWw4Qgl$EHA.1396
>>>@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>
>>>>When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards to
>>>>record or wake up???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>>>
>>>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Major issues:
>>>>>>1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
>>>>>>such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
>>>>>>it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>>>>>>Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>>>>>>completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>>>>>>which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>>>>>
>>>>>This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's where this lives on my toshiba. Perhaps its in your "buttons"
>>>menu
>>>somewhere
>>>
>>>Scott
>>
>>
>>
>
 
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I'm sorry, but I LOVE my 4705!!!


"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> That's what was offered up above. Actually I didn't realize that the
> function only worked when the unit was in standby. I didn't read the
> entire screen. So that is the ultimate button pushing solution.
>
> Thanks for opening my eyes :)
>
>
> "Nikki Casali" <nikki@ncSasPali.deAmoMn.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:csmt17$oh9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>I use Settings->Personal->Buttons->Lock Tab->When Device in Standby
>>
>> Justin Emlay wrote:
>>> I dont' see it anywhere. That option would be better then just turning
>>> off all the buttons. Maybe it's in my registry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns95E3AC2B0AACEscottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>>
>>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:OWw4Qgl$EHA.1396
>>>>@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards
>>>>>to
>>>>>record or wake up???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>>>>>>news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Major issues:
>>>>>>>1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had no
>>>>>>>such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my pocket
>>>>>>>it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>>>>>>>Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>>>>>>>completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>>>>>>>which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>That's where this lives on my toshiba. Perhaps its in your "buttons"
>>>>menu
>>>>somewhere
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
 
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Do you play games that require the use of the directional buttons?


"Darin" <darinr@endpcnoise.com> wrote in message
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> I'm sorry, but I LOVE my 4705!!!
>
>
> "Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:uWTJuyo$EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> That's what was offered up above. Actually I didn't realize that the
>> function only worked when the unit was in standby. I didn't read the
>> entire screen. So that is the ultimate button pushing solution.
>>
>> Thanks for opening my eyes :)
>>
>>
>> "Nikki Casali" <nikki@ncSasPali.deAmoMn.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:csmt17$oh9$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>I use Settings->Personal->Buttons->Lock Tab->When Device in Standby
>>>
>>> Justin Emlay wrote:
>>>> I dont' see it anywhere. That option would be better then just turning
>>>> off all the buttons. Maybe it's in my registry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns95E3AC2B0AACEscottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>>>
>>>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in news:OWw4Qgl$EHA.1396
>>>>>@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>When I go in to power under settings I do not see anything in regards
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>record or wake up???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Xns95E2BA2007854scottseidmanmindspri@130.133.1.4...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Justin Emlay" <JEmlay@NoSpam.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:e0jXupZ$EHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Major issues:
>>>>>>>>1. The buttons get pressed in my pocket way to often. My 3835 had
>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>such problem. I'd say half the time I remove the unit from my
>>>>>>>>pocket
>>>>>>>>it wont turn on because the battery is past to the turn on level.
>>>>>>>>Twice I've gone to plug the unit in only to find out the unit
>>>>>>>>completely drained and I lost everything. The Dell has a switch in
>>>>>>>>which you can disable all buttons and screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Settings-Power-Record and Program Button Wake Up-- Disable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This means you have to hit the power button to turn the PPC on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Scott
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>>>>>>
>>>>>That's where this lives on my toshiba. Perhaps its in your "buttons"
>>>>>menu
>>>>>somewhere
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
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