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January 20, 2005 5:20:18 PM

I am going to be ordering myself a new PCIe system and I was wondering if anyone would be able to tell me which brand of the 6800's can unlock the extra pipes to make the card into a GT or Ultra? I can find the PCIe 6800 for around $345. Are these cards good OC'ers especially for the MSI cards? If I can't overclock the card, would the plain 6800 let me run resolution 1280x1024 with 4/8 filtering on in games like Doom3, HL2, and others? Thanks in advance.

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January 20, 2005 7:38:49 PM

so will the PCIe card be able to do it, or is it considered the newer chip that nV crippled?

Xaser 3 case with 420W TT PSU
AXP2500 (11*200 at 1.85v)
9800 Pro 128MB (418/372)
NF7-S v2.0
PDP DDR400 1GB(2-3-2-5)2.6v
Lite-On SOHW-832S
WD 80GB 8mb buffer caviar edition.
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2005 7:47:31 PM

Yeah, aren't the new GF6800 (PCIe based only?) on a different core (hence the HW video accelartion being fixed on those but not the GF6800GT/Ultras)?


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January 20, 2005 7:48:25 PM

if for some reason they are the bad pipes, do these cards OC good so I could run the resolution and filtering I mentioned in first post?

Xaser 3 case with 420W TT PSU
AXP2500 (11*200 at 1.85v)
9800 Pro 128MB (418/372)
NF7-S v2.0
PDP DDR400 1GB(2-3-2-5)2.6v
Lite-On SOHW-832S
WD 80GB 8mb buffer caviar edition.
January 20, 2005 7:48:46 PM

So what happens if the pipes in your 6800 are bad? Can they be locked again to prevent artifacts?
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2005 8:18:43 PM

For complete failure, your only way out is to put it in a board with integrated graphics, do not load AGP/PCIe and then do the repair slowly and laboriously. Depending on what you did to F' it up, I've seen people had to simply correctly flash it back, to actually having to go through the dos based bios editing tools and manual fix things. It's not easy, but the integrated graphics is a given due to the complexity of the recovery required.


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January 20, 2005 9:15:14 PM

would the 6800NU allow me to play at the resolution of 1280x1024 with 4/8 filtering in the usual new games? It will just be a single card for now until I get some more money.

Xaser 3 case with 420W TT PSU
AXP2500 (11*200 at 1.85v)
9800 Pro 128MB (418/372)
NF7-S v2.0
PDP DDR400 1GB(2-3-2-5)2.6v
Lite-On SOHW-832S
WD 80GB 8mb buffer caviar edition.
January 20, 2005 10:08:18 PM

Yes it will.

I have softmoded loads of 6800 128mb cards with rivatuner pretty much risk free, better than OC it.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 12:01:38 AM

Yes pretty much all games will run ok 30+ fps with 4X/16X, so 4/8 should be a bit better.

This review by Digit-life is probably pretty revealing.

It shows alot of benchmarks (the HL2 numbers are of the stolen beta, not the current game), and it also shows that this one particular card had 256mb of GDDR3, AND that it was NOT modable using Rivatuner. Now remember this review is of the OC'd GE, so be sure to check the GF6800 numbers in the charts. As for the 'off' number of vertex shaders, that's a strange thing about the GF6800, some have 6, some 5 and even some are 4 vertex pipes.

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-7.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-7.html&lt;/A>

So short term, the GF6800vanilla will do it for ya. I just wouldn't try to go too far beyond the end of the year for those settings.


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January 21, 2005 12:15:27 AM

most are 128mb ddr1 except for the asus GE 256mb ddr3 basically its a ultra but could not work at ultra speeds so it was bios modded to be a vanilla 12 pipline 6800 but it has 2 molex connecters like the ultra this card can be unlocked and be OC to a faster or same clock speed as the gt if lucky to ultra.
January 21, 2005 12:17:48 AM

I was looking at the MSI NX6800 with 256mb memory, but I dont know if it has the GDDR3 or the GDDR1. Do you know or anyone know if it has the GDDR3?
January 21, 2005 12:28:56 AM

This card MSI NX6800-TD256E GeForce 6800 256MB DDR SLI Multi-GPU Ready PCI Express 16X Video Card with VGA, DVI, TV-Out, HDTV, DirectX 9.0: MS-8984-010 (Retail)

This Is DDR1 type memory.

please copy and paste full gfx card details
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 12:33:12 AM

I have only seen reviews of 128mb versions of the MSI;

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-5.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-5.html&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=msi6800&..." target="_new">http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=msi6800&...;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1208&s=1" target="_new">http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1208&s=1&lt;/A>

And they all appear to be DDR(1). And while I have not see reviews of the 256mb version (just them for sale), if you go to MSI's site it says just plain DDR;

<A HREF="http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=NX6..." target="_new">http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=NX6...;/A>


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a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 12:41:36 AM

True, so maybe it's not so clear after all.

However I'd day, always expect the cheapest possible solution from these guys unless you have evidence otherwise. That was you won't be dissapointed, but perhaps pleasantly surprised. :cool:


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January 21, 2005 1:14:49 AM

would I be better off going with the leadtek at the same price? I noticed that on that one it does state that it's DDR3
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 1:27:11 AM

Sure, what it means is that you have more overcloking potential if they are clocked at the same speed, and if it's already oc'd then it should give you added benifits with AA/AF applied.

Leadtek is s pretty good manufacturer, I'd usually put MSI ahead of them, but if Leadtek's offering this slight perk it would be my preference in this case.


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January 21, 2005 1:58:29 AM

I noticed that these don't have the extra power connector. Will that affect the OC potential of the card or will it get enough power through the PCIe slot?
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 3:11:18 AM

If it's just got one molex connector then you can easily power a GF6800GT equivalent with it. No power connector at all would be a problem IMO. But only having one is OK, and likely would have no impact one the card as long as it remains a 12 pipe card, just don't expect to be able to OC this thing to GF6800UltraExtreme speed on a ful fledged 16 pipe moded card without possible impact.


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January 21, 2005 4:11:20 AM

neither of the cards have a power connector from what i've seen in the pictures, so I think I may have to look at some alternatives.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 4:27:13 AM

Well the 128 version of the MSI definitely has one molex connector;

<A HREF="http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1208&s=2" target="_new">http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1208&s=2&lt;/A>

I just don't think MSI focuses on the power connectors, although if you look at the bottom of the description you see the note in red <font color=red>"1. The supplied power cable must be attached to ensure the card works properly."</font color=red>


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January 21, 2005 4:30:08 AM

would the 6600gt be better than the 128 6800? I'm just curious about the 6600gt because of it's affordability. I know I wouldn't be able to get the settings I want, but i might be able to get by with 1024x768 with 4aa and 8af.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 4:45:38 AM

The GF6800 would be better than the GF6600GT.

Take a look at a few benchies from this thread;

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-11.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/nv40-11.html&l...;/A>

Specifically this HL2 benchie shows that even at 1024x768 with AA/AF the difference can be between playable and barely playable;

<A HREF="http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/1104/itogi-video-..." target="_new">http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/1104/itogi-video-...;/A>

Really it comes down to what you think would be worth the money, and it depends on the prices you see for your re/e-tailers.


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January 21, 2005 4:51:04 AM

My Leadtek 6600GT had one of its memory chips to burn up yesterday. It wasnt even overclocked. Im not blaming this on leadtek, i think that something was a little screwy with this particular card from the begining. Sometimes it would report a certain speed and then 30 minutes later it would report a totally different speed. Oh well, Newegg is taking care of it for me.
January 21, 2005 4:57:47 AM

The only problem is that none of the PCIe cards that I see for the 6800 have the extra power connector, so I don't see myself being able to OC them very well and the 128mb versions only seem to be on AGP. Do u think it would be smarter to buy a cheap PCIe card like around $50 and wait for one of the high end ATI to come available since they seem to run about the same price as the 6800gt in PCIe?
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 5:13:26 AM

Yes, definitely, that's my plan although a bit elevated.

A GF6600GT will do you until the next round of mid-level cards. The GF6800 will of course give somewhat better performance short term but if you can turn arund and sell the GF6600GT then you can do better. However I'd never get a $50 as a standby card, they won't play anything at anypoint, and basically become a waste of $50, whereas the other cards can be sold again when you move to the next level. Something like and X300SE or GF6200TC would simply not be useful for gaming at all, more like a slidshow viewer card.


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a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 5:15:42 AM

That SuX man!

But it does happen even with the best of mfrs, and even the most knowledgeable of users.

Sounds like it was some glitch in the card that made it past quality control. Nice to see a NewEgg is dealing with it in a satisfactory and prompt manner.


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January 21, 2005 5:18:31 AM

thanks for the input GrapeApe, I think I will get the 6600gt to hold me over until the next wave of cards becomes available. As far as my budget and availability go, I can either get the Asus SLI mobo, or the Gigabyte SLI. The other option is the Gigabyte K8NF-9. I was thinking of going with the Asus because I can get it for 188. Out of these boards which do you think would be the best way to go?
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2005 5:25:41 AM

Like I've said, I prefer Gigabyte, but the ASUS probably gives you the best bang for your buck, and more options for the future than the K8NF-9.


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January 21, 2005 9:17:40 PM

Thanks for the info, Ape and wusy, I will go ahead and stick the Asus motherboard and probably the leadtek 6800 PCIe card
January 22, 2005 1:26:39 AM

I've seen good reviews for their cards, but I can't find any for sale in the U.S.
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