Basic Q's about RTV5504

[john]

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Can you use the RTV5504 to record and play back shows if you don't pay the
subscription fee?

Can it be hacked to "talk" to your PC via ethernet?

Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?

Thanks. I couldn't find the answers in FAQ's. I don't watch enough TV to
justify the service fee, but was tempted by the new low price ($50 after
rebate)... since I don't have a vcr. Especially if I can control it from my
computer.

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[Guest]

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In article <cpoqec$21a$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>,
"john" <johnbkim@fastELEPHANTmail.fm> wrote:

> Can you use the RTV5504 to record and play back shows if you don't pay the
> subscription fee?

No.



> Can it be hacked to "talk" to your PC via ethernet?

No. But that's only because it doesn't HAVE to be hacked. It will
happily talk to your PC right out of the box, provided you install
something like DVArchive (which is NOT included in the box, which is not
a ReplayTV product, but should be).



> Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?

Yes, with some serious effort. Or, you could look for a 50xx model,
which doesn't have to be hacked to do that; it has that feature built in
as part of the operating system. http/www.poopli.com is where people
go to find each other to exchange shows, if you don't know anyone
personally.

Get the $50 RTV, add your own large hard drive (simple) or network it to
your PC running DVArchive, which will act as a large holding tank and
streaming source for whatever shows you want, and pay the $299 lifetime
activation fee.

Burning the shows to DVD using Nero and a couple of free tools (reVue
and rtvtools) is about a 20 minute process that I could teach my mother.
Very nice.

 

[Guest]

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"john" <johnbkim@fastELEPHANTmail.fm> wrote in message
news:cpoqec$21a$1@gondor.sdsu.edu...
> Can you use the RTV5504 to record and play back shows if you don't pay the
> subscription fee?
>

NO.

The rest don't matter.

Bye.

> Can it be hacked to "talk" to your PC via ethernet?
>
> Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?
>
> Thanks. I couldn't find the answers in FAQ's. I don't watch enough TV to
> justify the service fee, but was tempted by the new low price ($50 after
> rebate)... since I don't have a vcr. Especially if I can control it from
> my computer.
>
> --
> John
> johnbkim@fastELEPHANTmail.fm
> (remove the pachyderm)
>

 

[Guest]

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>Can you use the RTV5504 to record and play back shows if you don't pay the
>subscription fee? <snip>
>justify the service fee, but was tempted by the new low price ($50 after
>rebate)... since I don't have a vcr.

The unit is a door stop without activation/subscription to their
service. You will need to pay around $300 lifetime service or buy a
replaytv which is already activated.

Ebay have activated units for sale. Normally they go for around $350
to $600 depending on how big a harddrive they have in them. Those
prices are for the 5000 series. The earlier "showstopper" can be had
with subscription for around $250 ballpark.

No flames please.

 

[Guest]

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john wrote:
> Can you use the RTV5504 to record and play back shows if you don't pay the
> subscription fee?
>
> Can it be hacked to "talk" to your PC via ethernet?
>
> Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?
>
> Thanks. I couldn't find the answers in FAQ's. I don't watch enough TV to
> justify the service fee, but was tempted by the new low price ($50 after
> rebate)... since I don't have a vcr. Especially if I can control it from my
> computer.
>
> --
> John
> johnbkim@fastELEPHANTmail.fm
> (remove the pachyderm)
>
>
Well... I'll answer the first, can it be "Hacked" to talk to your PC via
ethernet... No, it can't, the reason is because it's not necessary to
hack it. It was DESIGNED to talk to your pc over an ethernet. YOu need
to download a program called DVarchive (www.dvarchive.org) so that your
PC knows how to talk to the replay however.

Second... I'm told it can be hacked to allow it to engage in Internet
Video Sharing, however you have to re-hack it fronm time to time and I
can not tell you how to do it (Other posters here can however)

I routinely stream shows from my replay 5504 to my laptop and watch them
elsewhere. As I type this I am watching the Replay via TV, however the
replay is where I can not "SEE" is with a reomte. so I use the remote in
DVArchive to control it via an ethernet cable or two

 

[Greg]

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>Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?
>

The big problem here is this is not a pure peer to peer connection. It needs
the RTV central site to establish the connection and that is set up by serial
number. I doubt there is anything but a 55xx S/N blacklist to keep you from
doing it (along with the lack of an address) but they have the power at RTV.

 

[Guest]

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Greg wrote:
>>Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?
>>
>
>
> The big problem here is this is not a pure peer to peer connection. It needs
> the RTV central site to establish the connection and that is set up by serial
> number. I doubt there is anything but a 55xx S/N blacklist to keep you from
> doing it (along with the lack of an address) but they have the power at RTV.

The units do not need the rtv servers. The purpose of these servers is
to keep track of the machines across the net because ip addresses can
change in the middle of a transfer. The newest version of the Poopli
updater allows sending shows from all of your Relays w/o having to go to
the actual machine. Future upgrades of this program will auto-update the
status of the transfer AND take the place of the Replay servers. All
transfers will be through Poopli and Replay's IVS servers going down
will have no effect.

Transfers are not regulated by serial numbers (though of course they
could be). The features are disabled by the software. There is no
internet address book or send options. Because of this, the hacked 5500
can send and receive shows.

 

[Guest]

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Tony D wrote:
> Greg wrote:
>
>>> Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?
>>>
>>
>>
>> The big problem here is this is not a pure peer to peer connection. It
>> needs
>> the RTV central site to establish the connection and that is set up by
>> serial
>> number. I doubt there is anything but a 55xx S/N blacklist to keep you
>> from
>> doing it (along with the lack of an address) but they have the power
>> at RTV.
>
>
> The units do not need the rtv servers. The purpose of these servers is
> to keep track of the machines across the net because ip addresses can
> change in the middle of a transfer. The newest version of the Poopli
> updater allows sending shows from all of your Relays w/o having to go to
> the actual machine. Future upgrades of this program will auto-update the
> status of the transfer AND take the place of the Replay servers. All
> transfers will be through Poopli and Replay's IVS servers going down
> will have no effect.
>
> Transfers are not regulated by serial numbers (though of course they
> could be). The features are disabled by the software. There is no
> internet address book or send options. Because of this, the hacked 5500
> can send and receive shows.




What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
streaming, and if so how do you set it up. Eventually I'll have a
Linux machine set up as an internet FTP server...... And with DVA it can
ftp Replay shows to a remote PC, but that is not the same as IVS

 

[Guest]

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In article <a47wd.271$1o1.51@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
John in Detroit <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
> streaming,

well, it's not internet streaming; it's internet SENDING.

Streaming is what happens when you use one ReplayTV to watch a show that
was recorded and stored on another Replay on your network.

 

[Guest]

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>
> What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
> streaming, and if so how do you set it up. Eventually I'll have a
> Linux machine set up as an internet FTP server...... And with DVA it can
> ftp Replay shows to a remote PC, but that is not the same as IVS

DVArchive could easily do all of that except that Gerry Dupree will
NEVER add such functionality and have the potential of a lawsuit and or
retaliation by DNNA against all the cool features we enjoy.

 

[Guest]

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Tony D wrote:
>
>>
>> What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
>> streaming, and if so how do you set it up. Eventually I'll have a
>> Linux machine set up as an internet FTP server...... And with DVA it
>> can ftp Replay shows to a remote PC, but that is not the same as IVS
>
>
> DVArchive could easily do all of that except that Gerry Dupree will
> NEVER add such functionality and have the potential of a lawsuit and or
> retaliation by DNNA against all the cool features we enjoy.

Thank you, that is the kind of answer I needed. Even if it's not the
answer I wanted... Ok, that leaves me with option 2, which will work,
just not quite as well (Setting up a FTP server so it sees the "Local"
folder as it's root folder and pulling files over the net via FTP the
modemer's edge (Take off on an STP commercial)

 

[Guest]

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:52 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
>> streaming, and if so how do you set it up. Eventually I'll have a
>> Linux machine set up as an internet FTP server...... And with DVA it can
>> ftp Replay shows to a remote PC, but that is not the same as IVS
>
>DVArchive could easily do all of that except that Gerry Dupree will
>NEVER add such functionality and have the potential of a lawsuit and or
>retaliation by DNNA against all the cool features we enjoy.

From what I understrand, DVA can be setup to provide shows to internet
users (not in the same way as it does locally, but by using the web
server in DVA). However, there would be security problems involved,
making this risky. You would have a URL you enter in your web browser
to access DVA. This would work the same way as LAN access once you set
up port forwarding (dynamic IP could still be a problem).

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/go.to/notstupid
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh

 

[Greg]

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Tony, How does the RTV address IVS uses get translated to an IP if RTV isn't
doing it?

 

[Greg]

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> However, there would be security problems involved,
>making this risky. You would have a URL you enter in your web browser
>to access DVA. This would work the same way as LAN access once you set
>up port forwarding (dynamic IP could still be a problem).
>

Why not just have a junker PC in the DMZ, running DVA, that is open to the
world, leaving your real machines back in safety land behind the wall.

 

[Guest]

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Greg wrote:
> Tony, How does the RTV address IVS uses get translated to an IP if RTV isn't
> doing it?
The function of the IVS servers is to keep the customer units connected,
but are not the only ones capable of doing it (ie, there is no
encryption, verification, etc.). Poopli is moving to provide this mainly
because of the outages at Replay. If someone pulls the extension cord
out Friday night, IVS is out until Monday morning. They will also
provide constant updating of transfers, etc. Are you a member of Poopli??

 

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john wrote:
> Can you use the RTV5504 to record and play back shows if you don't pay the
> subscription fee?
>
> Can it be hacked to "talk" to your PC via ethernet?
>
> Can it be hacked to do "send show" to another unit via the Internet?
>
> Thanks. I couldn't find the answers in FAQ's. I don't watch enough TV to
> justify the service fee, but was tempted by the new low price ($50 after
> rebate)... since I don't have a vcr. Especially if I can control it from my
> computer.
>
> --
> John
> johnbkim@fastELEPHANTmail.fm
> (remove the pachyderm)
>
>

 

[Greg]

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>Are you a member of Poopli??

Never saw the need to IVS

 

[Guest]

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:52 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
>>>streaming, and if so how do you set it up. Eventually I'll have a
>>>Linux machine set up as an internet FTP server...... And with DVA it can
>>>ftp Replay shows to a remote PC, but that is not the same as IVS
>>
>>DVArchive could easily do all of that except that Gerry Dupree will
>>NEVER add such functionality and have the potential of a lawsuit and or
>>retaliation by DNNA against all the cool features we enjoy.
>
>
> From what I understrand, DVA can be setup to provide shows to internet
> users (not in the same way as it does locally, but by using the web
> server in DVA). However, there would be security problems involved,
> making this risky. You would have a URL you enter in your web browser
> to access DVA. This would work the same way as LAN access once you set
> up port forwarding (dynamic IP could still be a problem).
>

I noticed that too and might be able to use it... I can put one computer
on a net in the "DMZ" on a D-link router (Puts the computer open to the
net just like there was no router) normally... I'd use that for another
router.

However... I like the ftp solution as the linux box can serve up FTP
once I get it cooking properly.

 

[Guest]

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:10:05 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:52 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>What I'm wondering is can DVArchive act like a 50xx for internet
>>>>streaming, and if so how do you set it up. Eventually I'll have a
>>>>Linux machine set up as an internet FTP server...... And with DVA it can
>>>>ftp Replay shows to a remote PC, but that is not the same as IVS
>>>
>>>DVArchive could easily do all of that except that Gerry Dupree will
>>>NEVER add such functionality and have the potential of a lawsuit and or
>>>retaliation by DNNA against all the cool features we enjoy.
>>
>>
>> From what I understrand, DVA can be setup to provide shows to internet
>> users (not in the same way as it does locally, but by using the web
>> server in DVA). However, there would be security problems involved,
>> making this risky. You would have a URL you enter in your web browser
>> to access DVA. This would work the same way as LAN access once you set
>> up port forwarding (dynamic IP could still be a problem).
>>
>
>I noticed that too and might be able to use it... I can put one computer
>on a net in the "DMZ" on a D-link router (Puts the computer open to the
>net just like there was no router) normally... I'd use that for another
>router.
>

Instead of DMZ, it would be better to forward only those ports that
are needed.

>However... I like the ftp solution as the linux box can serve up FTP
>once I get it cooking properly.

That would be better. The FTP server could be serving files from the
same directory that DVA is putting them into. With a DVA task set up,
a show that comes on could automatically appear to the client.

--
8 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/go.to/notstupid
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh