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In article <3uqdnXFdE732konfRVn-iA@rogers.com>, Darrell wrote:

> Slight correction, PMA hasn't started yet ;) This is a pre-show
> announcement.

Actually it appears to be a leak of a pre-show or show announcement.

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"Charles" <fort514@mac.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3uqdnXFdE732konfRVn-iA@rogers.com>, Darrell wrote:
>
> > Slight correction, PMA hasn't started yet ;) This is a pre-show
> > announcement.
>
> Actually it appears to be a leak of a pre-show or show announcement.
>
I puzzled over this as the URL is not linked anywhere in the pma-show.com
website. Perhaps you are correct. Maybe Phil Askey on DPreview has the same
info but has not released the info. As these reports take a bit of time to
write, I could guess there is a agreement that they hold the item until the
official announcement.
 

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In article <VBTQd.8431$ng6.1619@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, Old Dad
<frawillen@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I've often wondered: What is the camera rebelling against?

Camera names with a bunch of boring letters and numbers? :)

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"Old Dad" <frawillen@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Charles" <fort514@mac.com> wrote in message
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> | New Canon Rebel announced at PMA
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> | Charles
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> I've often wondered: What is the camera rebelling against?
>
> Old Dad
>

being sold to fat lardy arsed yanks proberbly
 
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in
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> In article <3uqdnXFdE732konfRVn-iA@rogers.com>, Darrell wrote:
>
>> Slight correction, PMA hasn't started yet ;) This is a pre-show
>> announcement.
>
> Actually it appears to be a leak of a pre-show or show announcement.
>

Intentional leak...no doubt.

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> New Canon Rebel announced at PMA
>
>
> http://www.pma-show.com/review/canon/001_EOS_digital_rebel_xt.html

I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going to
sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300, but
it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
lens...

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In article <VTUQd.668$Pz7.662@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, mikej1
@ix.netcom.com says...
> I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going to
> sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
> price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300, but
> it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
> lens...

Isn't the BG-E3 the same vertical grip the 20D uses? Because that's
what it's shown with.

Looks very nice. Although I'd love to have a 20D, if the RebelXT
provides similar image and noise performance I might have to trade in
the 10D.
 
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"Brian Baird" <no@yeah.right> wrote in message
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> In article <VTUQd.668$Pz7.662@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, mikej1
> @ix.netcom.com says...
>> I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going
>> to
>> sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
>> price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300,
>> but
>> it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
>> lens...
>
> Isn't the BG-E3 the same vertical grip the 20D uses? Because that's
> what it's shown with.
>
> Looks very nice. Although I'd love to have a 20D, if the RebelXT
> provides similar image and noise performance I might have to trade in
> the 10D.

Point of information, the grip for the 20D is the BG-E2, not -E3 as on these
images of the RebelXT.
This one may find it's way into our arsenal. My wife has been complaining
of the bulk of the 20D with Quantum flash attached, and we've been looking
for a back up body, this just may be it.

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In article <VTUQd.668$Pz7.662@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Mike Jacoubowsky <MikeJ1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> New Canon Rebel announced at PMA
>>
>>
>> http://www.pma-show.com/review/canon/001_EOS_digital_rebel_xt.html
>
>I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going to
>sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
>price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300, but
>it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
>lens...

I'd be extremely surprised if it's priced any higher than the 300D

The good news for Canon is that it's going to be very hard for anybody
to compete against this (which is bad for other manufacturers).
The bad news for Canon is that this is almost certainly going to make
inroads into sales of the 20D. And I'd guess the 20D has higher margins.
 

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"John Francis" <johnf@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <VTUQd.668$Pz7.662@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> Mike Jacoubowsky <MikeJ1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> New Canon Rebel announced at PMA
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.pma-show.com/review/canon/001_EOS_digital_rebel_xt.html
> >
> >I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going
to
> >sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
> >price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300,
but
> >it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
> >lens...
>
> I'd be extremely surprised if it's priced any higher than the 300D
>
A hint may be yesterday Canon Canada dropped the 300D MSRP by $200, that
puts it at $999 CDN, My guess is the XT will be introduced at $1000 USD, or
around $1500 CDN. The 20D body is $1950 CDN in our store as a point of
reference, the D70 with kit lens is $1500 CDN.
 
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In article <cv1683$a5a$1@reader2.panix.com>, johnf@panix.com says...
> >I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going to
> >sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
> >price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300, but
> >it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
> >lens...
>
> I'd be extremely surprised if it's priced any higher than the 300D
>
> The good news for Canon is that it's going to be very hard for anybody
> to compete against this (which is bad for other manufacturers).
> The bad news for Canon is that this is almost certainly going to make
> inroads into sales of the 20D. And I'd guess the 20D has higher margins.

Hard to say, really. I know there are a lot of 300D users who are
waiting for an upgrade. They love their 300Ds, but can't resist the
lure of more pixels and more features. They weren't going to buy 20Ds
anyway.

Neither was I, for that matter. The 20D is nice, and I drool over the
low noise and AF performance, but I simply don't have the funds to
upgrade. With the new Rebel, I should be able to sell the 10D and my
28-135mm lens and not have to shell out too much more for the RebelXT
with the 17-85mm EF-S. I'd consider dropping my 20mm f/2.8, but I love
that lens in low light too much to get rid of it. Sure, less noise with
the newer models... but still! I'd rather shoot 1/30th of a second at
ISO 800 instead of ISO 1600 if I could.
 
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"Brian Baird" <no@yeah.right> wrote in message
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> In article <cv1683$a5a$1@reader2.panix.com>, johnf@panix.com says...
> > >I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going
to
> > >sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop
in
> > >price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300,
but
> > >it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
> > >lens...
> >
> > I'd be extremely surprised if it's priced any higher than the 300D
> >
> > The good news for Canon is that it's going to be very hard for anybody
> > to compete against this (which is bad for other manufacturers).
> > The bad news for Canon is that this is almost certainly going to make
> > inroads into sales of the 20D. And I'd guess the 20D has higher
margins.
>
> Hard to say, really. I know there are a lot of 300D users who are
> waiting for an upgrade. They love their 300Ds, but can't resist the
> lure of more pixels and more features. They weren't going to buy 20Ds
> anyway.

I was very close to buying a 20D to replace my 300D. I hadn't even thought
of checking out the 300D replacement but now seeing it's features I think
I'll wait for the 350D/XT.

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In article <VTUQd.668$Pz7.662@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, mikej1
@ix.netcom.com says...
> > New Canon Rebel announced at PMA
> >
> >
> > http://www.pma-show.com/review/canon/001_EOS_digital_rebel_xt.html
>
> I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going to
> sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop in
> price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300, but
> it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
> lens...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>

I've made a guess at $2000 (US)

I think they will do that and continue to sell the original DRebel.

I have absolutely no real reason (and no inside info).


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"Larry" <larrylynch3rd@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In article <VTUQd.668$Pz7.662@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, mikej1
> @ix.netcom.com says...
> > > New Canon Rebel announced at PMA
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.pma-show.com/review/canon/001_EOS_digital_rebel_xt.html
> >
> > I didn't see any mention of price in a quick scan, but if they're going
to
> > sell it for anywhere near $1000, I'd guess that D70s are going to drop
in
> > price pretty quickly. It seems much closer to a 20D than the Rebel 300,
but
> > it's likely not nearly as tough. Still, if it goes for $1000 with kit
> > lens...
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> > www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> I've made a guess at $2000 (US)
>
> I think they will do that and continue to sell the original DRebel.
>
> I have absolutely no real reason (and no inside info).
>
As the announcement said USD $899 body, USD $999 camera/lens your guess
would be wrong. I am however always happy to match any higher price ;)
 
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>> > The good news for Canon is that it's going to be very hard for anybody
>> > to compete against this (which is bad for other manufacturers).
>> > The bad news for Canon is that this is almost certainly going to make
>> > inroads into sales of the 20D. And I'd guess the 20D has higher
> margins.
>>
>> Hard to say, really. I know there are a lot of 300D users who are
>> waiting for an upgrade. They love their 300Ds, but can't resist the
>> lure of more pixels and more features. They weren't going to buy 20Ds
>> anyway.
>
> I was very close to buying a 20D to replace my 300D. I hadn't even
> thought
> of checking out the 300D replacement but now seeing it's features I think
> I'll wait for the 350D/XT.

The 20D may still be the better choice for many, but it partly depends upon
how these factors work out on the 350-

--Build quality. 350 is presumably plastic, while the 20D is Magnesium.
Could be that this is more about style than actual durability, don't know.

--Focusing speed. Those into shooting sports have been impressed that the
20D focuses much more quickly than the original Rebel. Where will the 350
fit in?

--Image noise. The Canon PR piece makes it sound like the 350 benefits from
a later generation of CMOS imaging sensor than the 20D so who knows, could
be even better? Tests will tell.

--Shutter noise. Some have complained that the 20D is rather loud; if the
350 is more subtle, it could be something that the more casual, "discrete"
enthusiast might appreciate.

--Quality of the "kit" lens. Canon implies that the 18-55 on the 350 is a
new version (II). If it has significantly improved optics over the original,
then the $999 package price for the 350 makes for a pretty attractive
starter package. If the lens isn't so hot (the original seems not to be
highly regarded), then you're still several hundred dollars away from a
really decent body/lens combo, and when the price of the 350 with decent
lens overlaps the price of a body-only 20D, some might thing, well, gee,
I'll just save a little bit more money, since I'm already spending as much
as a 20D alone anyway...

Just my humble opinion, of course. And it's not just an educational
exercise; I've been looking very closely at the 20D for taking bike race
photos and such. But now... if the 350 is close, and with a smaller &
lighter size making it a bit easier to carry on the bike... but either way I
can't lose, because if the 350 is really that great a camera, it's likely
the 20D will come down a bit in price. Life is good.

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