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From the post below Quoting myself....
"The 5th gen receiver is 4 1/2 years LATE! And its getting later every
day. And now we hear that LG will not even make stand alone receivers.
They will only include them in their HDTV sets. That will give them a
MAJOR competitive advantage. And Hisense says they will not deploy 5th
generation receivers till their current stocks run out, six months, a
year?? I don't know. "
One of many post where I said that LG would deliver 5th gen receivers in
integrated sets.
Bob Miller wrote:
> Otto Pylot wrote:
>
>> In article <1105378691.546477.121060@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> <igorcarajo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Lately I've been reading a bit on this newsgroup and it seems that 5th
>>> generation OTA tuners were going to be released by the 4th quarter of
>>> 2004. Are there any out yet? Could anybody list brands and models?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> I've got a 4th gen LG LST-4200A that has worked flawlessly since day
>> one. What's wrong with a good 4th gen?
>>
> 4th generation receivers work in some locations but not those which are
> multipath challenged. That means in places with trees, wind, airplanes
> and buildings. 4th generation especially has problems with reception
> with indoor antenna because of multipath both static and dynamic. That
> means that people walking around the room can cause loss of signal as
> can static multipath from signals bouncing around the room.
>
> The success of DTV OTA depends on having receivers that work for
> everybody not just a few. Receivers that work in all conditions not just
> when things are just right and you have the rooftop rotorized antenna
> pointed the right way.
>
> The ideal receiver would work with an antenna that could be included in
> the HDTV set or simply placed on top and be a simple loop, rabbit ears
> or monopole $2 antenna. It should work in New York City apartments and I
> personally believe it should work in the back seat of your car, on a
> train, on your boat or in a bus, in the back of our 16 wheeler or at the
> beach. With COFDM antennas small enough to fit on cell phones work very
> well. This video of three screens are receiving mobile in the worst RF
> environment in the world, New York City from a 100 Watt transmitter. The
> antennas range from a three inch omni monopole to a 15 inch monopole.
>
> www.viacel.com/bob.wmv
>
> For the life of me I can't imagine why you would want to leave any of
> those scenarios out if you didn't have to. That is if you could have a
> receiver that did all of the above and more why not? Why wouldn't you
> want to receive OTA DTV on your boat? How about on a portable TV that
> has a screen but also lets you plug in 1080P glasses? The antenna is
> built into these portable DTVs. (COFDM)
>
>
http/www.i4u.com/article2231.html
>
http/makeashorterlink.com/?R1D7213F9
> http
/www.followmedia-tv.com/
>
> and these phones with minuscule antennas. Wouldn't these antennas look
> better on your roof?
>
http/www.itmedia.co.jp/mobile/0308/08/sanyo.html
> Video demo
>
http/www.wirelesswatch.jp/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=741
>
> And in spite of the FCC the US, as this article notes, may actually be
> getting back to the cutting edge with cell phone DTV (COFDM of course)
> in Pittsburgh of all places.
> http
/cellphones.engadget.com/entry/1234000483023527/
>
> This article says that DVB-H will clean the clock of DMB-T being offered
> by S. Korean companies. Before this is over LG and friends are going to
> be sorry they picked the 8-VSB modulation. It forced them to then find a
> Mobile modulation (DMB-T) to satisfy their broadcasters. Now they are
> riding two horses both of which are the wrong ones. DMB-T uses an old
> form of COFDM so even the loser has the right modulation sort of.
>
> How about combining a gizmo like this with 80 Gigs of video and music files
>
http/www.macworld.com/news/2005/01/10/silverscreen/index.php
>
> with glasses like these with 1080P HDTV capability.
>
http/www.macworld.com/news/2005/01/10/silverscreen/index.php
>
> COFDM and its DVB-T and DVB-H win in the end world-wide and that means
> here in the US also. Just a matter of time.
>
> So why did we give up all these possibilities? Channels 2 thru 51 can't
> do any of this. They could do HDTV just like 8-VSB with COFDM and have
> all these capabilities. Why don't we? Why are we one of the few
> countries in the world that can't? Australia and Japan can and they also
> can do HD. France will and they will have HD. We can't. Why? Did we get
> something in return? We made a big sacrifice. We have to have rooftop
> antennas (at least till later this year). We don't have mobile
> reception, why not? What did we get for the sacrifice? DUH!!! NOTHING?
> Wrong answer.
>
> What we got was higher royalty payments, ten times higher. Nice trade,
> lose a lot of functionality and get to pay more money for the privilege.
> And while the royalty payments that we pay (remember 10 time higher for
> 8-VSB than COFDM) go to a foreign corporation, LG, the royalties that
> most other countries citizens pay (10% of our payments) go to mostly US
> patent holders. Isn't that weird? IN an age when the US exports IP. That
> is what we sell mostly. We have elected to send IP royalty payments
> overseas to a foreign company while the rest of the world thinks our IP
> (Intellectual property) is better. AND IT IS! COFDM is American and it
> is far better.
>
> And LG isn't shy about telling its shareholders how much, $100,000,000
> per year it was worth once the FCC MANDATED receivers in every DTV set.
>
> 4th generation receivers do not work well in most apartments in
> Manhattan. I know because I have tried four and OWN two. I have tried
> over a number of years COFDM and 8-VSB in different cities and different
> conditions.
>
> 5th generation LG receivers are the first 8-VSB receivers that work in
> static multipath decent enough TO BE SOLD. In my opinion NO receiver
> that has been sold to date should have been. We should not even have
> started our digital transition in the US until we had a receiver that
> worked at least as well as LG 5th generation receivers. The FCC has let
> us down. They did not look out for the consumer which is their PRIMARY
> job. They specifically looked out for LG Industries. Go figure.
>
> You have to ask yourselves why the FCC first of all picked a modulation
> that was so flawed and second why did they stick with it so long. Why
> did they believe LG and others when they said that they would have fix
> for 8-VSB that would make it work MOBILE and have no problem with
> reception with simple indoor antennas IN SIX MONTHS starting January
> 11th 2001. We have to date only seen a 5th generation receiver. It is
> not even on the market yet and it does not work MOBILE nor does the
> E-VSB that was supposed to specifically work mobile.
>
> The 5th gen receiver is 4 1/2 years LATE! And its getting later every
> day. And now we hear that LG will not even make stand alone receivers.
> They will only include them in their HDTV sets. That will give them a
> MAJOR competitive advantage. And Hisense says they will not deploy 5th
> generation receivers till their current stocks run out, six months, a
> year?? I don't know.
>
> In 2000 the FCC had a review of both COFDM and 8-VSB. They then had a
> test (allowed by the FCC) that was conducted by the industry, that was
> brazen in your face fraud. In the last hour of the last FCC
> administration they re-affirmed 8-VSB on January 19th 2001.
>
> And now we hear that our Chairman of the FCC Powell is frustrated at the
> pace of the DTV OTA transition. He could have turned it around many
> times. He could turn it around today. He won't because he does not have
> the best interest of the public at heart.
>
> I would like to think otherwise but it has been too long a wait for any
> actions from the FCC that would suggest otherwise.
>
> Bob Miller