DLP Purchase - Samsung HD3 or Toshiba HD2+ ?

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All,

I'm going to be purchasing a new TV this weekend, and I have to say
this is the hardest decision I've ever had to make on a consumer
electronics product.

I've decided to go with a DLP set. Seems this is the best bang for
the big-screen buck...

Now, what I can't decide is whether to get one of the new 63 series
Samsungs with the HD3 setup, or the new Toshiba 52HM84 52" with the
HD2+ setup.

I know the HD3 is a better chipset than the HD2, but I can't quite
figure out where the HD2+ fits into all this.

The 52HM84 is a brand new set so I don't think Toshiba would have used
an inferior chipset if a better one was available, would they?

Samsung is kinda new to all this. I also like Toshiba TV's.

Help!

Thanks :)

-Larry
 
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HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the screen.
It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip

HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a sharper
image, better black level and better contrast

Contrast Ratios:

HD2 = 1000:1
HD3 = 1500:1
HD2+ = 2500:1

Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.

HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.


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As the other reply already indicated, the HD2+ is better than the HD3
which is the lower cost chipset which uses i mirror for 2 pixels. Most
of the new Samsung HLP sets, the HLPxx63 sets, all use the HD3 chipset.
I saw the new so-called 'Captain Kirk" pedestal Samsung DLP set, the
HLPxx85, at BB recently which uses the HD2+ chipset. The TV is rather
impractical, unless you have apartment like those seen in design ads,
but the picture quality was excellent, better than the HD3 sets.

I am planning to get an HDTV set soon myself, but the issues of
reliability and the rainbow effect from the color wheel are pushing me
away from the DLP RPTVs. Still the DLP sets do offer decent bang for the
buck, I may reconsider when the table top Samsung HD2+ models come out
(supposedly Sept-Oct time frame).

The web page is getting out of date, but is still useful:
http://www.digiupdate.com/105_DLP_RPTV.html. For tons of postings on the
DLPs, try www.avsforum.com.




Larry The Other Larry wrote:

> All,
>
> I'm going to be purchasing a new TV this weekend, and I have to say
> this is the hardest decision I've ever had to make on a consumer
> electronics product.
>
> I've decided to go with a DLP set. Seems this is the best bang for
> the big-screen buck...
>
> Now, what I can't decide is whether to get one of the new 63 series
> Samsungs with the HD3 setup, or the new Toshiba 52HM84 52" with the
> HD2+ setup.
>
> I know the HD3 is a better chipset than the HD2, but I can't quite
> figure out where the HD2+ fits into all this.
>
> The 52HM84 is a brand new set so I don't think Toshiba would have used
> an inferior chipset if a better one was available, would they?
>
> Samsung is kinda new to all this. I also like Toshiba TV's.
>
> Help!
>
> Thanks :)
>
> -Larry
 
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Grub,

That was a GREAT help :) Thanks!

I do believe I'll go for the Toshiba 52HM84. Not only was the picture
great, but it looks cool as well.


Thanks again!

-Larry

TheGrub <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us> wrote in message news:<TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us>...
> HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the screen.
> It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip
>
> HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a sharper
> image, better black level and better contrast
>
> Contrast Ratios:
>
> HD2 = 1000:1
> HD3 = 1500:1
> HD2+ = 2500:1
>
> Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.
>
> HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.
 
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Grub,

Do you think a 10-12 foot viewing distance is enough for this 52"?

Thanks :)

-Larry

TheGrub <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us> wrote in message news:<TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us>...
> HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the screen.
> It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip
>
> HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a sharper
> image, better black level and better contrast
>
> Contrast Ratios:
>
> HD2 = 1000:1
> HD3 = 1500:1
> HD2+ = 2500:1
>
> Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.
>
> HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.
 
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I had a 50 inch samsung HLN series and my couch is 12 feet from the TV.
It was great.

I'm still waiting for my toshiba to be delivered... but i don't think 2
inches is going to make a big difference...

So i'd say 12 feet is perfect....


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"Larry The Other Larry" <larrysinternetemail@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Grub,
>
> Do you think a 10-12 foot viewing distance is enough for this 52"?
>
> Thanks :)
>
> -Larry

The only constraint on viewing distance is - - it should be far enough so
the individual pixels cannot be distinguished - - to avoid what some call
the "screen-door effect". For a 52" set, that might be 6 or 7 feet
depending on your acuity of vision. Any further away is mostly a matter of
furniture arrangement, decided by the "decor manager" of the household. I
view my 60" at 9 feet (no decor manager), and enjoy it immensely.

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I think picture quality on either set will be outstanding. You may want to
consider some of the other features. For example the Samsung HLPxx63 don't
have an integrated tuner whereas the Toshiba does. That could be good or
bad depending on your setup. For example, if you plan to subscribe to
satellite then maybe that doesn't do you much good since you'd have a box.
Same for cable. I'm not sure if the Toshiba is CableCard compliant or not.
The Samsung definitely isn't.

Another thing to consider is the amount of digital inputs. The Samsung has
a DVI input plus an HDMI input whereas the Toshiba has only an HDMI input.
If you plan to have a cable box plus an upscaling dvd player you'll need two
digital inputs that the Samsung offers.

Another thing to consider is scaling technology. The Samsung uses Faroudja
whereas Toshiba has developed their own technology. I have not seen SDTV
displayed on either set, but I would think the Faroudja chip would scale the
picture better than Toshiba's scaler.

Of course price could be another factor. Anyway, something to consider...
You've got a winner either way though!

Brad



"Larry The Other Larry" <larrysinternetemail@cox.net> wrote in message
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> All,
>
> I'm going to be purchasing a new TV this weekend, and I have to say
> this is the hardest decision I've ever had to make on a consumer
> electronics product.
>
> I've decided to go with a DLP set. Seems this is the best bang for
> the big-screen buck...
>
> Now, what I can't decide is whether to get one of the new 63 series
> Samsungs with the HD3 setup, or the new Toshiba 52HM84 52" with the
> HD2+ setup.
>
> I know the HD3 is a better chipset than the HD2, but I can't quite
> figure out where the HD2+ fits into all this.
>
> The 52HM84 is a brand new set so I don't think Toshiba would have used
> an inferior chipset if a better one was available, would they?
>
> Samsung is kinda new to all this. I also like Toshiba TV's.
>
> Help!
>
> Thanks :)
>
> -Larry
 
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On 12 Aug 2004 06:57:17 -0700, larrysinternetemail@cox.net (Larry The
Other Larry) wrote:

>I've decided to go with a DLP set. Seems this is the best bang for
>the big-screen buck...

I agree with you about going with the DLP. I haven't had the pleasure
of seeing the Toshiba but the new Mitzubishis just arrived at my store
and I'm pretty impressed with those sets, too. I believe the Mitzu's
come in a 50" and a 61", at least those are the two sizes we currently
carry. The Mitzu has the integrated tuner with the card slot and goes
for (IIRC) $3499 and $4499... I may be wrong about the price - we just
got 'em two days ago. Besides Sears, I don't know who else has them
in stock but I'm sure somebody in your area has them for you to check
out.
 

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In article <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us>,
TheGrub <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us> wrote:

> HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the screen.
> It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip
>
> HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a sharper
> image, better black level and better contrast
>
> Contrast Ratios:
>
> HD2 = 1000:1
> HD3 = 1500:1
> HD2+ = 2500:1
>
> Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.
>
> HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.

So is any of these supporting 1080p yet?
 
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poldy <poldy@kfu.com> wrote in news:poldy-866CFD.17175312082004
@netnews.comcast.net:

> In article <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us>,
> TheGrub <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us> wrote:
>
>> HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the
screen.
>> It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip
>>
>> HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a
sharper
>> image, better black level and better contrast
>>
>> Contrast Ratios:
>>
>> HD2 = 1000:1
>> HD3 = 1500:1
>> HD2+ = 2500:1
>>
>> Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.
>>
>> HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.
>
> So is any of these supporting 1080p yet?
>

What source puts out 1080p?

Dave
 
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"Dave Solly" <none@where.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9543C86556BA6itsme@199.45.49.11...
> poldy <poldy@kfu.com> wrote in news:poldy-866CFD.17175312082004
> @netnews.comcast.net:
>
> > In article <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us>,
> > TheGrub <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us> wrote:
> >
> >> HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the
> screen.
> >> It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip
> >>
> >> HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a
> sharper
> >> image, better black level and better contrast
> >>
> >> Contrast Ratios:
> >>
> >> HD2 = 1000:1
> >> HD3 = 1500:1
> >> HD2+ = 2500:1
> >>
> >> Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.
> >>
> >> HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.
> >
> > So is any of these supporting 1080p yet?
> >
>
> What source puts out 1080p?
>
> Dave

Dave,

Don't you think a de-interlaced 1080i image would look phenomenal? Besides
when the high definition DVD formats come out I believe 1080p will be
supported. For those people who by a television every 10 years it is good
to look ahead a little bit.

Even right now there are movies available in the WM9 format that are 1080p.
You'd need an HTPC to watch them though. However, I think this gives a
glimpse as to where things are headed.

Poldy,

None of those models supports 1080p. However, Samsung will be releasing the
HLP6197 at the end of this year. It will include a Texas Instruments xHD3
chip with 1920x1080p resolution and 3000:1 contrast ratio. With an MSRP of
$6499 it doesn't come cheap! Should be spectacular though. It's a 61"
model and supposedly a 73" model should follow some time next year.

Brad
 
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:42:34 GMT, "Brad Griffis"
<bradgriffis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Dave Solly" <none@where.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9543C86556BA6itsme@199.45.49.11...
>> poldy <poldy@kfu.com> wrote in news:poldy-866CFD.17175312082004
>> @netnews.comcast.net:
>>
>> > In article <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us>,
>> > TheGrub <TheGrub.1avr58@nobody.satelliteguys.us> wrote:
>> >
>> >> HD3 is a 3rd Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror for 2 pixels on the
>> screen.
>> >> It has a softer image then the HD2/HD2+ chip
>> >>
>> >> HD2+ is a 4rth Generation DMD chip. 1 mirror per pixel, with a
>> sharper
>> >> image, better black level and better contrast
>> >>
>> >> Contrast Ratios:
>> >>
>> >> HD2 = 1000:1
>> >> HD3 = 1500:1
>> >> HD2+ = 2500:1
>> >>
>> >> Samsung is the only manufacturer to use the HD3 chip.
>> >>
>> >> HD2+ is the way to go... i went for the 52HM84.
>> >
>> > So is any of these supporting 1080p yet?
>> >
>>
>> What source puts out 1080p?
>>
>> Dave
>
>Dave,
>
>Don't you think a de-interlaced 1080i image would look phenomenal? Besides
>when the high definition DVD formats come out I believe 1080p will be
>supported. For those people who by a television every 10 years it is good
>to look ahead a little bit.
>
>Even right now there are movies available in the WM9 format that are 1080p.
>You'd need an HTPC to watch them though. However, I think this gives a
>glimpse as to where things are headed.
>
>Poldy,
>
>None of those models supports 1080p. However, Samsung will be releasing the
>HLP6197 at the end of this year. It will include a Texas Instruments xHD3
>chip with 1920x1080p resolution and 3000:1 contrast ratio. With an MSRP of
>$6499 it doesn't come cheap! Should be spectacular though. It's a 61"
>model and supposedly a 73" model should follow some time next year.
>
>Brad
>

Consumer Reports should have the new October 2004 issue on Rating
HDTV's. It covers all types except that the DLP's sets had not been
released in the Oct. 2003 issue.
The magazine also reviewed and graded Home Theater systems and
individual speakers or speaker sets for surround sound systems.. It
sure helped me pick out some good equipment.

hdtvfan
 
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I went with the Samsung HLP-8085 'Captain Kirk'.

It was delivered to day.

I can't stop drooling. It's awesome :)

-Larry

Alan Figgatt <afiggatt@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<17ydnYILDd2AF4bcRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
> As the other reply already indicated, the HD2+ is better than the HD3
> which is the lower cost chipset which uses i mirror for 2 pixels. Most
> of the new Samsung HLP sets, the HLPxx63 sets, all use the HD3 chipset.
> I saw the new so-called 'Captain Kirk" pedestal Samsung DLP set, the
> HLPxx85, at BB recently which uses the HD2+ chipset. The TV is rather
> impractical, unless you have apartment like those seen in design ads,
> but the picture quality was excellent, better than the HD3 sets.
>
> I am planning to get an HDTV set soon myself, but the issues of
> reliability and the rainbow effect from the color wheel are pushing me
> away from the DLP RPTVs. Still the DLP sets do offer decent bang for the
> buck, I may reconsider when the table top Samsung HD2+ models come out
> (supposedly Sept-Oct time frame).
>
> The web page is getting out of date, but is still useful:
> http://www.digiupdate.com/105_DLP_RPTV.html. For tons of postings on the
> DLPs, try www.avsforum.com.
>
>
>
>
> Larry The Other Larry wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I'm going to be purchasing a new TV this weekend, and I have to say
> > this is the hardest decision I've ever had to make on a consumer
> > electronics product.
> >
> > I've decided to go with a DLP set. Seems this is the best bang for
> > the big-screen buck...
> >
> > Now, what I can't decide is whether to get one of the new 63 series
> > Samsungs with the HD3 setup, or the new Toshiba 52HM84 52" with the
> > HD2+ setup.
> >
> > I know the HD3 is a better chipset than the HD2, but I can't quite
> > figure out where the HD2+ fits into all this.
> >
> > The 52HM84 is a brand new set so I don't think Toshiba would have used
> > an inferior chipset if a better one was available, would they?
> >
> > Samsung is kinda new to all this. I also like Toshiba TV's.
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > Thanks :)
> >
> > -Larry