Gaming headset with or without mic above 150$ up to 500

ABeautifulDeath

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I just purchased an alienware new 17 laptop. Im looking for the best gaming headset that does not have to have a microphone because im planning on buying a proffesional one. I play cs go and dota 2 mainly. I need to have the best gaming experience in cs go to go pro. And on the other hand when i pump up my favorite songs i want to be able to live in the song in must blow!! I do not know anything about sound cards or the sound card that my laptop has, if there is a configuration with a possible soundcard etc. I do not care how it happens as long as it feeds my desires. So that also is an option. I have a astro a50 which i use on my desktop but i cannot use it on my laptop with full strentgh because the laptop does not have an optical in. I do like my astro a50's for in game and music tastiness. Im looking for something that is as good or even better. Thanks for your time if you have the answers to help me. And i hope this will help other people in the future too.. gg
 
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my only comment about the yeti would be to look at the prices for the shock mounts and boom arms that will support the weight. the shock mounts are $50 and the sturdier booms are $100. the 2020 can use bargain basement products which fit right up. also, the yeti is going to be a little in your way due to size but i told you that going in.

5.1 vs 7.1 is basically a non issue. however do remember what i said earlier: remember to look for virtual surround support in the manual or on product pages and not just go by if it has 5.1 or 7.1 in the title. i dont prefer the omni, i just stated that it might have surround support but that you need to double check on your own if this is true.

i remember hearing a negative issue on the creative G...
without a microphone that would be headphones not a headset generally.

a few questions..

are you going to be recording with the microphone?
do you need to be live monitoring your voice with the microphone (hear it in your headphones)?
do you care about virtual surround sound?
bass light headphones generally give advantage in fps but bassy or v-shaped sound more exciting. which do you prefer? or a general use can?

keep in mind all headphones are 2.0 stereo only. you can make them virtual surround with the proper soundcard or software. most headsets are also virtual not real. true multi-driver products generally are limited to a few gaming headsets but lack quality to bring you multiple drivers.

please use terms we understand here. i'm not sure what "it must blow" means. honestly while i have an inkling as to what you want you did leave out much information.

why cant you use your astros? they are probably optical input so if your laptop lacks optical output you could just use an external soundcard to get that. if you are already happy with them this is the cheapest option although i'm not going to lie, there are better products on the market.
 

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I will buy a mic on the side, blue yeti or at2020 so the mic on the headset doesn't really concern me. I will be streaming or sometimes recording essencially streaming + being a youtuber. I do not need to hear it in my headphones.
The headset or headphone im looking for must must must give me the best advantage in fps games like cs go. So i believe it must have to be 7.1? (Not really sure if it is a must)
I want something new to go with my new laptop so i will purchase a new one instead of my a50's which i still will use on my desktop. I dont really know if i care about virtual surround sound or what the soundcard of my laptop will be... im just looking for the best possible sound quality when listening to music and hellping me with gaming. Keep in mind i will wear them 5-15 hours most of the days of the week
 
for advantage? products like the ad500x up through ad1000x are worth looking at. akg has some as well which are not bad. if you want to stay a little more neutral then the dt880 might suit you though as its a bit toned down from the v-shaped dt990 (less pronounced bass and less sharp treble). while not really spectacular in any one area, hd598's are good general use cans that are easy listening for hours without fatigue though they are a bit slow.

dont expect them to be as immersive due to not having much bass but good soundstages and bass light sound with good treble/mid detail is considered the most advantageous. you can pair it up with virtual surround per your preferences though you would have to check which external cards support it. i think the creative omni might.

i will reiterate, no headphone is true 5.1 or 7.1. if you want that you will need virtual surround sound. if you want a multi driver per ear solution only certain expensive gimmicky gaming headsets do that.

only reason i mentioned live monitoring and streaming is that things like using an xlr mic and an audio interface might be preferable for greater control depending on your preferences of course. i'm not sure if you can get virtual surround working if you use one though.

not really related to the question but i find it odd that you would go for a gaming laptop given the greater cost, lower performance and less options compared with a desktop. it really doesnt benefit recording or streaming unless you require mobility.
 

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The soundcard i get with the laptop is realtek i believe i cant seem to find which version, or if there is even a version or series of them. It might be 5.1 i believe. I do not know if will be needing a 7.1 surround sound card. But i did decide i need 7.1 with just the headphone/headset or with a sound card with it. I am slo currently looking in to scarlett 2i2's if it will really provide better streaming sound. And if i do go for it will that device help my audio listening aswell? Do you know the best mic that goes with it if you recommend me getting the scarlett. How do you feel about the siberia 800's i believe they are 300$ and named number 1 for gaming but i read they lack on listening to music for a 300$ can.. at first i was going with 373d sennheiser but after i found myself in days of search and ended up here lol i really appreciate your help you cannot possibly know how much you are helping :)) oh and i went for the laptop because i already have a desktop. + it will help me go around if i want to and honestly lets say just for streaming this high end laptop should be able to easyly do fine without sweting
 
keep in mind 5.1/7.1 sound cards do not mean VIRTUAL 5.1/7.1 support. this could (and normally does) mean that it just works with those size speaker sets.

as i stated before, trying to use two soundcards at once may not work out well (soundcard and 2i2 both act like soundcards). having a soundcard go into one of analog inputs instead of pulling from the usb connection may work though.

the benefit of interfaces are live adjusting of volume levels (its a mixer) while acting as a dac (like a 2.0 soundcard) and supporting xlr microphones (with 48v phantom power). its not a fix for all situations but they are certainly convenient for some.

the 2020 or 2035 are certainly decent xlr mic options. the nice part about them is that they are small (will not obstruct your view like a yeti), accessories are cheap (most any stand, pop filters and shock mounts work unlike some blue mics with special needs) and quality level is good (i like it about as much as the yeti or nt-usb). there are of course other options - look at mics by at, blue, rode.

i know nothing about the siberia 800 though do know the cheaper siberia products used to sound "okay" but were quite fragile. in general "gaming headsets" will sound worse than "hifi headphones" but might have either virtual surround built in (a soundcard on them.. usb input.. not a big deal) or have multiple drivers per ear (its honestly a gimmick and is not any more fluid sounding than virtual... but its all preference).

not sure about the 373d but the 363d was an overpriced equivalent to a game zero / pc350se / hd555 / hd595. not bad for bass light sound but certainly not industry leading either. the soundcard that came with them was only so-so. i believe the microphones were at least mid grade though certainly not what i would suggest for real streaming.

honestly i think its more a decision on if you would rather focus on your own preferences and comforts (having virtual surround) or if you want to focus more on the streaming side of things (having volume mixing, xlr mics). you could certainly make very well due with a usb mic given how you dont need live monitoring. the 2020-usb or nt-usb would be great for that. if you wanted virtual, an external soundcard should be able to help you with gaining that. mostly that just leaves the type of headphone you want. some are easily powered and will run fine on anything you buy while some need more power (akg cans are an example.. in some cases).

i will say that i tend to suggest headphones over headsets. i'm not saying headsets are all bad but from a strictly quality standpoint they often do not hold up. many people however really dont care so much and can be perfectly happy with a headset. to each their own.
 

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i aprreciate your time and effort my good sir!
I just decided i will go for the blue yeti pro instead of a mic with a scarlett since the scarlett doesn`t allow me to use it as a 7.1 soundcard along with it. and i really seamed to like the sound out of the blue yeti pro even though it is just on usb connection, much better than the blue yeti which is as good as and is at the same level of the other brands like AT2020 or NT Rode. So getting the microphone out of the picture although i do tend do see your feedback about my choice lets move on to the headphone/headset part.
I have been searching for which will suit me the best and i narrowed down my options to the last few which are;
1.I do not know which one i should go with or which is better but i found 2 external sound cards that might be my solution if i go with headphones which are(Also i found out that my soundcard in laptop will be a Wave Max Audio Pro, i did search about it but couldn`t really understand how good it is if i even need a external sound card but i guess you have the answer for that);
a. Creative Sound BlasterX G5 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz USB Interface Sound Card
b. Creative Sound Blaster Omni Surround 5.1 USB which i think you preffered back up there but the only thing that disturbes me is it being 5.1.
If you suggest i go with soundcards there is a few headphone options i see which are;
Game One, which i hear with a dedicated sound card is very up there on top of the lists.(in my case i do not know yet i i already have a dedicated sound card or not.
Sennheiser HD 600
Sennheiser 598
Feenix Aria (which looks very awsome but really have no idea about it read a few reviews but there is just a few so can`t really rely on them.)
For some reason i don`t feel like going with the AD`s so they seem to be out of the picture.
But i am open to a suggestion as far as a combo with sound card.

2. Go straight for a Gaming Headset without buying an extra sound card. My Options seem to be like;
Siberia 840 Wireless
Astro A50 2016-2017 edition (the new ones) which i guess i will need to get a optical converter from usb
Sennheiser PC 363d or 373d

Seems like this is the end, just need to pick among these options. I hope the next time i hear back from you i will be able to shoot the arrow and hit bulls eye :)) looking forward to hear from you asap thanks in advance my good sir <3

 
my only comment about the yeti would be to look at the prices for the shock mounts and boom arms that will support the weight. the shock mounts are $50 and the sturdier booms are $100. the 2020 can use bargain basement products which fit right up. also, the yeti is going to be a little in your way due to size but i told you that going in.

5.1 vs 7.1 is basically a non issue. however do remember what i said earlier: remember to look for virtual surround support in the manual or on product pages and not just go by if it has 5.1 or 7.1 in the title. i dont prefer the omni, i just stated that it might have surround support but that you need to double check on your own if this is true.

i remember hearing a negative issue on the creative G series in the past from someone on my steam list. i read something about this on the web from other reviews as well for both the old version and the new one but honestly i can not say for a fact one way or the other if its worth buying as i havent used it myself.

i know the xonar u3 had it. the strix raid might. do double check in their specs though. i think the u5/u7 do not and are for home theaters instead.

creative used cmss3d/sbx processing. asus used dolby headphone. look up cmss3d vs dolby headphone videos on youtube for examples and see which you like.

why would you buy a game one when it is basically a hd518 with a mic strapped on? for the same price you could get the hd598 which would be better and you already have a mic.

the hd600 is like the hd598 in sound but with a bit more bass and quality. both it and the hd598 are a bit on the "slow" side. call it "laid back" if you will. some people dont like this (in which case detailed cans like the dt990 are more their flavor) while others do (because detailed cans can be fatiguing). they are not very fatiguing and are decent for long listening sessions.

dont know anything about feenix. you could try headfi search but you need to take things there with a pretty hefty grain of salt as you need to sift through things you read there and not just take it as fact.

for that budget you could almost get into planar magnetic headphones if you like that sort of sound. the he400i for some was considered an upgrade to the dt990 but its not a really wide soundstage headphone and i've only read that from a few people so take that for what its worth.

the fidelio x2 is also considered a decent headphone but i cant say much about it, you would need to read up on it.

some wireless headsets can lag a little or have dropped connectivity randomly and you will need to deal with recharging them. if they take batteries it will be expense to replace them and if its a built in variant the battery inside will wear and having a wireless product die on you is a pain (i went through this with wireless mice). while some products like logitechs were quite excellent for a wireless (no real lag) they still suffer from the same dropped connections all wireless devices can have and wireless signals are susceptible to emi or interference. i'm not saying dont go for wireless, just that its not "perfect" and to be aware of "possible" issues you might have. again, not saying you will just that some products in some cases have had these.

if you're looking at "headsets" might as well throw the mmx300 into the line. its basically an old dt770 premium design with mic. overpriced for what it is (just buy a similar headphone instead) but its one of the better options. likewise the ath-adg1 (ad500x/ad700x based.. but you wont like this) is considered one of the better options. the game one and pc363d round out the list on the better headsets. i cant comment about any "gaming company" oriented ones much though i cant say i was impressed when i tried a pair of astros in a store display (but that could be personal preference).

take your time. do your research. make comparisions. flesh out what you want to spend and what your options are. i've seen it happen many times before where people are in a rush and make a decision quick then regret it later. make sure you go over all your options and give some solid thought to what you want to do instead of picking something on the fly.
 
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i probably assume i will go with the siberia 840 and assume i will not have any problems with the wireless connection since i loved it with my astro a50`s. I just hope the joy of listening to music will be as good as the experience it will give me playing games
 

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i just realized that i need an optical connection with the siberia 840`s aswell.. i do not have a optical in or out whichever one i need to connect the headset.. and now i am worried if i will lose quality and 7.1 dolby sorround sound