Headset for gaming and music

JordyB

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Hello,

I'm looking for a headset that I can use for gaming and for music, but also a little bit for movies.
I'm a completely noob when it comes to headsets; I've always used cheap ones. The most expensive ones I've bought where something like 40 euros, (AK-3something), but those broke within a year. I'm currently using my iPhone standard earplugs for music, and very, very simple 2.0 speakers from Trust (~15 euro range) for the PC. I do have a 5.1 home cinema set which I could connect to my PC, but I never do; most of the time my TV is on while gaming, so I rather keep it connected to my TV (yeah, I know, I'm throwing money away).

I don't want another 5.1/7.1 setup just for my PC, so I was looking into headphones.
I figured somewhat out what I want, but I'm not yet sure how I want to reach it.

I do want a closed over the ear headphone, so that brings down the options.
What's important for me:
- Good quality sounds, for gaming, music and movies
- Good quality of 7.1 (virtual) surround

After a lot of searching, and reading, I thought of buying the Kingston HyperX Cloud II, which comes with virtual 7.1 surround dongle. I read a lot of comments that the sound quality is very good, but that the 7.1 virtual surround is meh, probably because of the cheap 7.1 surround dongle.

I did look for regular headsets, not specific gaming headsets, because I know you normally pay more just for the ''gaming'' part, and I honestly don't bother with the mic. When I have it, I probably will use it, but I don't miss it currently. Positive about the Kingston is that you can remove the mic, and after comparison with regular headsets I -think- the price/sound quality of the Kingston is very good and isn't worse than regular headsets from the same pricerange. With the add-on of the 7.1 dongle + option for removing the mic.

But now I'm not really sure how I want to get the 7.1 virtual surround. Because I've read the Kingston II 7.1 virtual surround isn't really that good, nor have settings for config, I was looking for some more. I've found an USB-soundcard named Asus Xonar U7, which also offers 7.1, and in-dept software to config the sound settings, and if I'm correctly, you can have virtual surround with just regular stereo headsets.

I also found the software named Razer Surround, which (with license which you have to buy) also let you adjust the sound settings for creating virtual surround on stereo headsets.

So currently I give myself the following options:
1. Buy Kingston II, test it. And if curious about the difference in settings buy Razer Surround license. (~100 euro for the headset, 15 euro license. Makes it 115 euro)
2. Buy Kingston I (non 7.1 dongle, ~30 euro cheaper) and buy Razer Surround license. (~70 euro headset. Makes it 85 euro)
3. Buy Kingston I and Asus Xonar U7. (~77 euro for Xonar U7, makes it 147 euro)
4. Buy Kingston II and Asus Xonar U7. (Makes it 177 euro)

Now, I do want good sound quality (for gaming, music and little bit movies), but I don't want to throw my money in the wrong direction. As you could read, I've always used cheap earplugs, so any 50+ euro headset will probably blow my mind. That's why I'm not looking for more expensive headsets. And I do want to have a nice virtual 7.1 surround sound (I know, it will never be as good as a real 7.1 set-up). So, what's my best option to go with? And why?

Thanks in advance!

Sidenote: I will only use it at home.
Sidenote²: Sorry for the long story.
 
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Strong bass impact... when you want bass that you can "feel" not just hear. IE When you want to experience the hard hitting bass drop in a dubstep song, or a punchy bassline. Think of the deep notes a cello produces compared to bass pounded out by subwoofers. If you mean the earbuds and not earpds I can say that the earbuds are by no means bass heavy, or "good" in general. I have multiple pairs of those that came with my idevices, but I don't have much experience with the latest pod shaped ones. Any upgrade starting in the $12 range (Koss KSC 75s) would have a large difference.

The 518/558/598 all use the exact same driver, what makes them sound slightly different from each other is their housing. As you move up each tier the...

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I am using Logitech's G35 on my gaming PC - good comfort for extended use, good audio reproduction (including surprising bass) and 7.1 simultation for both video footage and especially for first person shooters. They also make a wireless version (G930) - my buddy uses those after accidentally damaging his cans and the audio quality was amazing for a wireless headset.
 

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Thanks for your reply.

It all begun with the Logitech G430 which I saw, but the freq of the Logitech's headsets is too narrow for my taste. G35 has 20Hz-20kHz, while the Kingston has 15hz-25kHz. Also, I do want a cable one, not a wireless.

So, maybe a little bit confusing topic, but I'm looking for people that has either:
- The Kingston I/II
- The Asus Xonar U7
- Razer Surround software
- People who have virtual surround experience and know which program offers best results

I don't mind suggestions for headsets, but I think I've read and looked for specifications of almost any headset within my pricerange, and -as far as i can judge with my little knowledge- the Kingston I/II comes best out of it.

I'm really thinking about of just ordering the Kingston II, with the Razer Surround software for trying out the best result. But I rather have some more opinions about it before I do.
 

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Well, I've searched some more on the web. Pfff never thought it was this difficult of buying a headphone.. xD

Anyway, I'm still in doubt. Between a closed one (Cloud 2) or a open one (HD 558). Still not sure which one offers me the best result. Because I do want the surrounding feeling, but I also want the emerge feeling, with a decent bass.

So, anyone with advice/opinions etc? Please?

Also, what is a good EQ software? So I can adjust the settings a bit if I'm not happy with the standard EQ setting.

Edit: Ok, found out that the SOUND BLASTER X-FI MB3 software from Creative is a better program than Razer's one. Now I'm also considering of the Creative Live!2...
 

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The answer is simple. Don't buy a gaming headset unless you must have an all in one solution. The HyperX Clouds have decent sound quality compared to any other "gaming" headset in their price range. Those gaming headsets are nothing more than stereo headphones with virtual surround sound software. There are gaming headphones with multiple drivers for "true" surround sound, but you are much better off buying a pair of headphones with two high quality drivers compared to multiple mediocre sounding ones.

The 558s are a good choice for headphones. They are open back and the sound stage would be wider than the hyperX cloud. However the bass would be significantly weaker. Bass presence is there but the impact will be very weak. It is enough to have an immersive gaming experience and works great for music/movies as well. I will say this again, if you like strong bass impact stay far, far away from them. They have a neutral sound signature which leans slightly on the warm side. They sound is easy going and non fatiguing and they would be more comfortable and detailed than the clouds for long listening sessions.

The CAL 2 is another good option if you are after a more vibrant sounding pair of headphones.
 

JordyB

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Thank you very much for your reply!
How do you know if you prefer strong bass impact? I do like some bass, but I don't like it when they blast of my ears. Do I then still like a strong bass impact?
The last 3 years or so I've used only my earplugs which I've got with my iPhone, I'm not sure if those are closed, open or semi earplugs, and if the bass is strong on those earplugs. But I would say that reach of bass is more then enough for me.

Also, if I play with an EQ, could I improve the bass quality of the HD558?

I'm really going back and forth. First I thought, I just go with the Cloud II. But because I don't need the mic, and the HD558 is so highly recommended, I'm now more leaning towards that. Heck, I'm now even interested in the HD598. But I'm still not sure which type of headphone suits me best for my demands. Also, I did read that the bass on the HD598 is much weaker then the HD558, so that would probably be a bad choice to go? Because I do want some bass?
 

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Strong bass impact... when you want bass that you can "feel" not just hear. IE When you want to experience the hard hitting bass drop in a dubstep song, or a punchy bassline. Think of the deep notes a cello produces compared to bass pounded out by subwoofers. If you mean the earbuds and not earpds I can say that the earbuds are by no means bass heavy, or "good" in general. I have multiple pairs of those that came with my idevices, but I don't have much experience with the latest pod shaped ones. Any upgrade starting in the $12 range (Koss KSC 75s) would have a large difference.

The 518/558/598 all use the exact same driver, what makes them sound slightly different from each other is their housing. As you move up each tier the headphones become more open. Bass quantity is reduced and detail/treble is improved by a slight amount. It is not a night and day difference. You are honestly paying more for the improved quality of materials used like earpads, trim, and padding.

I have the 518s, playing with an EQ can help bring out the quantity not quality of the bass. I don't like using a bass boost with them though because it really takes away from the mids/treble which it does best. Bass impact is definitely their weakest point.

They have a neutral sound signature leaning on the warm side, compared to the v shaped HyperX Clouds with emphasis on bass and treble. They are less fatiguing to listen for long periods of time but will also sound less exciting. They are decent all rounders but are not the best choice for any bass oriented music.
 
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Thank you very much for your reply and excellent explanation.
I've decided to order the JVC HA-RX700 and the audio device Creative Sound Blaster Omni. I guess it suits me best for my music style, and for gaming.
However, I'm still very interested in the HD558/HD598. I will purchase one of them (or an other excellent open headphone product) in the near future. Guess it's always better to have different styles of headphones =)
 

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i just ordered hd598 a few days ago, should be here early sept :)
i am going open back now. but i am keeping my closed one.

for wireless, i have (but is selling) corsair 2100 now. do not worry too much about specs, i trust more on reviews and feedbacks.
 

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Well, I already changed my mind (god, what is it hard to choose between so much headphones when you're a noob). But someone recommended the AKG K612 pro, so instead of the HD598 my next headphone will be the AKG K612. Will order it next month =)
Thursday I'll receive my JVC. 1 Sep I'll receive my Creative Omni.

Better sound quality: I AM READY!! :p
 

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You do realise the K612 Pro is an open design, don't you?
You won't be disappointed buying a decent set of headphones, rather than a gaming headset.

 

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Yes, like the HD598. Anyway, I already have the AKG K612 pro. Received it 2 days ago. Excellent headphone.
 

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i will be getting my hd598 today yey
i also like beyer dt990 but is too expensive right now (the 598 was 150)

also bought iem, my most expensive ever. this is not good, the itch is starting again, this time for audio stuff.

congrats to us :)
 

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It's kinda weird that the price difference is so large all over the world, don't you agree? AKG K612 --> 149 euro, Beyer DT990 --> 148 euro, HD598 --> 179 euro in my country. Anyway, I'm also still interested in the Beyer DT990, but I won't buy it on short term. The JVC I've got is excellent and usable on my phone and outside, and the AKG K612 provides very, very good sound quality and soundstage. Still, DT990 looks like a combination of what I have now (altho not as wide soundstage as the K612 provides), so that's why it still looks interesting :p

Anyway, have fun with your headphone! I certainly have!
 

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yeah, excited for the weekend (i did gave it a test run yesterday).
i wanted a dt990 also, although it is bigger than what i wanted but i know it is very comfortable, probably more comfortable than my hd598.
but i was already at my limit (budget wise) for the hd598, so the dt990 was out.

it's ok, maybe next time, and i will get a 250ohm maybe (additional cost for amp yeah i know).
dang, i am spending too much hahaha.
i recently bought 2 IEM's, gave my wife the first (didnt like the fit lol so i gave it to her) so she won't get mad at me.
then bought RHA ma750 iem for myself, then this hd598. :)