Can an amp/speakers break if you input a too powerful signal?

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Hi,

So if i was to input a potentially damaging signal into my amp/speaker system, could this signal be damaging even if i were to lower the volume on my speakers?

I am asking this because I have my windows volume on max+ the added power of my soundcard's amp going into my speaker system. I can lower my volume to a safe listening level, but I am still unsure whether this is damaging my speaker system somewhere internally because the input signal is too big maybe?

(I don't really know how this stuff works)
 
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While clipping does refer to output in more ways than just volume, you likely won't need to worry about it beyond determining distortion (I'll explain more later). For example...

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Based on what you've said, I wouldn't say that you would "damage" your speakers with what you're doing. You might be losing audio quality, but damaging your equipment would be something that I'd worry about with an overpowered amp being used on low power speakers, and not with just volume/gain. I'm also going to assume you are running a standard PC sound card, which means the Window's output goes directly into the sound card, and you can then adjust the output from the sound card to you sound system. If that's the case...

Personally, I'd suggest you play around with the gain/volume of your sound card's output, balancing audio quality and perceived loudness with the output of your sound system. You'll find a sweet spot around the 80-90% range on the sound card, and you can then just adjust the sound system to your preference/time of day/ etc..

The gain/volume will only damage your speakers when you use an amplifier that is quite overpowering the speakers, and you crank up the gain too much (ultimately pushing the speakers beyond their electrical capacity). While you could damage your speakers with high volumes, the likelihood of it happening with a typical pre-fab/store bought system is extremely low, and would only occur when the speakers are being pushed hard for extended periods of time. In fact, the likelihood of the amp going out would be higher, as the amps are usually a bit under-powered, and would probably die before the speakers.

Short answer: no, you shouldn't be having any damage done beyond typical wear and tear. If you have a DIY sound system, and you think you're pushing too much power from the amp to the speakers, then you might want to list the basic specs. Basically, amp output should be just about the equivalent of the combined speaker output (ie: 200w amp, and 2x 90w speakers would be fine; where as a 400w amp and 2x 90w speakers would be likely to cause problems).

Hopefully that helps out a bit.
 
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Thanks for the answer,

I am using an Asux Xonar Dgx soundcard which seems to have its own amp which can boost windows volume beyond 100%. The main reason for my concern is that on the soundcard's control panel., there is a graph which shows the signal power from -20db to +20db. When I put my windows volume to 100% +100% on my soundcard's amp, the graph shows well above the 0db mark (even when the soundcard amp is at 50%). If 0db means the maximum the system can handle without clipping, is this referring to the capability of the speakers or the soundcard? Also, if the signal was being attenuated after the amp, is it possible that the strong signal would be breaking the amp and not the speakers, as the speakers are being protected by the attenuator? (Therefore I wouldn't be able to perceive the speaker system breaking or is this not possible?)

Also, I am using a 20W amp in the subwoofer + two 10W satellite speakers.
 

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While clipping does refer to output in more ways than just volume, you likely won't need to worry about it beyond determining distortion (I'll explain more later). For example: with recording uses, it's best to leave the peaks at +/- 0db to prevent clipping; however, with live performances, a DJ could push the live output on his mixer to +4db without much worry of clipping being too noticeable.

If you notice audible distortion, bring down the Window's audio output, and go from there. if you simply want to be able to open the sound card's gain all the way, and avoid clipping, then simply balance out the Window's output with your card's gain at full, and check the sound when you're done. For referencing audio/gaming/etc., it's probably best to avoid going beyond +2db to avoid missing anything. If you want to do anything like studio work, maintaining a 0db reading is ideal (for example).


The amp is simply amplifying the incoming signal. If you were going to break anything, you'd notice that your incoming audio was distorting as soon as you turned up the gain on your speaker system. If your amp can't handle the input, then you would hear something. As long as your sound card's output is within a good range, and you hear no audio problems, you'll be fine.

Now, to get a little more technical, I'll explain this in a different way. Let's pretend you have an amp that had a sort of VU meter on it (or anything to measure the input levels, in the same way one would measure output levels). If the input was coming in too hot, you would see that the input level would spike, and the output would likely spike as soon as you opened the gain. The audible distortion would also be a dead giveaway that something is wrong. Is this likely to happen? I've yet to hear about it, though I'm sure someone has done it. Also, I'm willing to bet that your amp would likely have very noticeable problems in the short term, and the problems that would happen over the ''long term' would occur relatively quick.


Sounds like a typical store-bought set up, so to speak. You won't hurt anything, unless you plug it into something stupid (like a 1,000w amp) and crank both up to 11.
 
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I should also mention that I'm quite positive most modern electronics will actually shut themselves down if you were to overload the inputs. I could be wrong about this, but modern electronics have plenty of useful fail safes to help idiot-proof their electronics, and to help prevent lawsuits.
 
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Alright thanks, I understand now.