Help with choosing a laptop

grndmstr

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Need hepp with choosing a laptop

So my laptop of 2 years is broken (motherboard problems and chit). So, I'm off to buy a new one. My top two choices as of now are

Macbook Pro 13 inches retina
2.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 2.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz memory
256GB PCIe-based flash storage1
Intel Iris Graphics
Built-in battery (9 hours)2

1499$




ASUS G750JW-DB71
Intel i7 4700HQ 2.4Ghz
12 GB DDR3
1024 GB 5400 rpm Hard Drive
17.3-Inch Screen, Nvidia GTX765M 2GB GDDR5
Windows 8, 3.5-Hour Battery Life
1299$



My laptop usage varies from periods of heavy gaming to daily movie watching or just weeks of thesis writing. The thing that worries me is that heavy gaming usually decreases the life span of laptops so I'll probably be decrease my gaming time to a minimum (probably just nba and dota). The mac looks sleek and professional whereas the asus looks intimidating and awesome as fak plus it's cheaper by about 200$ it is gonna be bulkier to carry though. Another thing that kinda worries me is the 256 gb SSD that the mac uses instead of an hdd. I do however have about 1.750 tb of external hard drives lying around. So, any suggestions?


inb4 macs are overpriced and could get better bang for the buck.

I've had trouble with other brands like toshiba, hp, and acer so i'm gonna go ahead and try a mac if I do choose it over the asus.
 
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It's all good to ask questions, better than wasting money like you said.

If you're strictly ranking according to those 3, then the obvious answer would be the good old Apple Macbook Pro being at the top, they manufacturer, design, sell, and repair their own stuff so there's pretty much no way that anyone could beat their knowledge and support of their own stuff. However, like I said before, you're paying the premium for those few features and not the power of it. If you think it's better for you to spend more money on reliability, customer service, overall problems then go for it.

On the other hand, ASUS and MSI are not bad brands at all, they still do well in their RMA process, warranty, and tech support. The only downside is that...

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You might wanna consider Lenovo, has been a pretty big laptop brand in the past year or so.

1. What exactly are you planning on doing with your laptop? Just regular stuff and NBA/Dota2?
2. Are you planning on traveling/walking a lot with your laptop?
3. What is the smallest screen size that you're willing to deal with?
4. Any preference on OS?
5. Are there any specific ports that you must have?
 

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I'll probably be playing other games as well (crysis, bioshock, metro last light, assassin's creed etc) as soon as or whenever time is available. I'm currently doing thesis writing so extra time is hard to come across.

I'll mostly be plugging it in and leaving it in my room but seeing as I travel about 7-8 times a year lugging around a big 17.3 inch laptop might cause slight problems. Plus I might be bring my laptop to thesis defense and other presentations. So there's that.

I can't stand small screens so 13" is the lowest I am willing to go.

OS doesn't really matter. I've been using widows for the greater part of my life but there's no reason I can't learn how to use mac OS.

I'd love to have a lot of USB 3.0 ports (mac has 2 while asus has 4) but I can work around with 2. I'd also want a projector port thing (dunno what it's called) but I can buy an adapter for that.



Mainly my concern would be its longevity. I need a laptop that would last 3-4 years if possible. Whichever laptop I get, I would be using it the same way as if I had bought the other one.

Im kind of leaning towards the mac just because it looks cool and fancy
 

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1. The games that you've listed are actually quite demanding, so I'm not sure how well a macbook can handle it vs a laptop with dedicated GPU, such as that ASUS ROG laptop
2. According to your plan of traveling or taking it to presentation, I personally think a laptop as huge as ASUS ROG will be a big problem.
3. I think I will be suggesting some 13' ultrabook since they are the bomb
4. If the laptops that I'm going to suggest only offers 1 USB 3.0 or something. I will also attach a USB hub with it.
5. Projectors use either VGA or HDMI (I rarely see DVI), good thing about Windows' laptop is that you don't have to carry an adapter
6. Longevity relates with brand of the laptop, the warranty from the manufacturer (or 3rd party warranty), how you treat it, and I think the bigger the laptop the easier it is to break

Best gaming laptops, that's still light weight-ish:
Aorus X7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-233-033 this one just got released to the market for less than a week, so it has been sold out, but it's SLI and super light weight/cool
Razer Blade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-326-009&Tpk=34-326-009 GTX 765M, 4lbs, let me be clear. It is 4 LBS, and still contains very powerful spec.

Mid price range gaming laptops, also light weight:
Lenovo IdeaPad Y510p http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p/ very affordable, and still has a discrete GPU, FHD display, 6 lbs
ASUS N550JV http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231114 again, affordable, 5.4lbs

Ultrabook that consists of Intel HD graphics (I think they'll be able to play those demanding games, but in low settings)
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x1-carbon/ the spec says it all.
ASUS Zenbook UX301LA http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231481 amazing

Top mainstream grade laptop:
Lenovo IdeaPad U530 http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/u-series/u530-touch/
Lenovo IdeaPad Z410 http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/z-series/z410/

Sorry if this list is overwhelming, these are just some suggestions. Tell me which one you like and what you don't like so we can narrow it down.

I didn't pick anything heavy as you can see, cuz I personally think that as technology moves forward I don't see a reason for people to carry heavy laptop unless you're using it to replace a desktop.
I didn't pick any Apple products cuz I'm pretty sure we all know what is inside so we'll just compare the best Windows laptop that you pick and compare that to Macbook at the end.

Good luck and post back if you have questions.
 

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Thank you for all your suggestions. However I will most probably buy the macbook (85% sure). One problem would be its measly 256gb ssd. Now, I can still probably use the 750gb hdd from my old acer laptop. So my question would be if I will be able to play games through my old hdd? (connected using an enclosure)
 

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Okay so I have another question. I found a 15" macbook with

15.4" MacBook Pro (with Retina display)
quad-core Intel Core i7 2.4GHz (3rd gen non haswell)
8GB RAM,
256GB flash storage,
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M
Intel HD Graphics 4000

It's cheaper than this version by about 100$

15.4" MacBook Pro with Retina display
Quad-core Intel Core i7 2.0GHz (4th generation Haswell processor)
8GB RAM
256GB PCIe-based flash storage
Intel Iris Pro Graphics

Which one should I get?

PS.
Compare the first one with this one. Is the first one better than this as a whole?

13.3" MacBook Pro with Retina display
Dual-core Intel Core i5 2.4GHz (4th generation Haswell processor)
8GB RAM
256GB PCIe-based flash storage
Intel Iris Pro Graphics

Cheaper by about 400$



 

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According to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4rgL9dW7mw

There's a lot of comparison, you'll get it if you know what he is talking about. If you don't here is a summary.
GT 650M outperforms Iris Pro in gaming
Iris Pro performs better than GT 650M when doing graphic processes that's not game
i7 Ivy Bridge performs similar to i7 Crystalwell
Having SSD will help in load time/read/write by a lot

Therefore, if you care about gaming, then go with the one with GT 650M. If you do more work like editing or anything other than gaming as your main focus, then go with Iris Pro.
As for that 13.3", You won't feel much of a difference when comparing that to i7 in regular usage. However, it comes with Iris Pro so you know the trade off. Basically smaller screen, cheaper is what you're comparing.
 

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Thanks man! You've been of great help! Last questions though.

Since I probably wont be doing extreme movie or video editting, is it safe to say that the older one with the 650m is the better choice?

Also, do you have any idea which version has the better cooling or if they have the same.

Lastly, since macbooks do not have air intake holes under its body, is a cooling fan/pad still helpful? If so, can you suggest which fan/pad I should buy? (Excluding "the tilt") preferably under 30$ us.

 

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Yea if you're gonna game then go with that one. However, don't expect much fps or settings when gaming on 650m since it's a little old and a laptop grade GPU.
I don't think there's an different cooling design for non-retina version throughout their generations
Anyways, I don't think Macbook has bottom intake after googling macbook intake, but cooling pad might still help just like how if you blow a hairdryer to your PC case (even if there's no intake, the case still warms up). Therefore, a cooling pad will help, just not as much.
This will help you https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4218055
I don't have a favorite or recommendation, I would just go with ratings at this point.
Someone in that link suggested
http://www.amazon.com/ThermaPAK-HS15A-HeatShift-Laptop-Laptops/dp/B001CBFTFM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=N97NI7Y539NB&coliid=I2D2FK06AIE2CU
or you can try newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007639%20600028834%204093&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=REVIEWS&PageSize=20

Hope it helps
 

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Well it looks like I'm not going for the 15 inch mbp anymore. The cheaper one that I was going to buy adds sales tax which would make it quite expensive.

So now I'm trying to find another one (although the 13" mbpr is still on the table)

I've narrowed it down to the asus g750, msi gt60, and the mbp

Could you tell me, how you would rank these three with regards to

Reliability (how long it lasts, is it well built etc)

Customer service (are they helpful, international warranty etc.)

Overall problems it encounters


Im sorry for asking so many questions but I do not want to waste money on a purchase. Thank you for being patient haha:))


 

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It's all good to ask questions, better than wasting money like you said.

If you're strictly ranking according to those 3, then the obvious answer would be the good old Apple Macbook Pro being at the top, they manufacturer, design, sell, and repair their own stuff so there's pretty much no way that anyone could beat their knowledge and support of their own stuff. However, like I said before, you're paying the premium for those few features and not the power of it. If you think it's better for you to spend more money on reliability, customer service, overall problems then go for it.

On the other hand, ASUS and MSI are not bad brands at all, they still do well in their RMA process, warranty, and tech support. The only downside is that the process might take somewhat longer, but it's pretty much guaranteed that you'll get the problem fixed. Therefore, right now you're pretty much deciding whether you want to spend your money on powerful spec or customer service for when something happens.

If I were to spend the money, I would go with ASUS, MSI, and then Macbook Pro, cuz I'm looking for power more than customer support since I take care of my stuff really well.

Now it's time for your decision :)
 
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The mac does seem like a good option but apple would probably charge a whole lot for them to fix your stuff especially if it's outside warranty.

I will probably go with the asus now. Can you tell me if the asus' hardware lasts long? What causes hardware problems or what causes it to die?

My last laptop's (acer v3-471g) mobo broke after 1 year and 9 months. The hdd also needed replacement. I started getting errors and warnings at around 1 year and 3 months. I don't know what I did that made it break so easily. I just used it for gaming, movie watching, and editing documents.
 

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First I would like to suggest the Lenovo Y510p for it being cheaper and lighter. (There's SLI options in the second page)(I can tell you more about this if you're interested)
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p/

Second I'll talk about your question. Hardware failure is really unpredictable if going for the well known brands such as ASUS, Lenovo. It's kinda like asking when is the next time that I'm gonna trip on the street, you don't want it to happen, but it's likely to happen sometime in your life. Similar to that, you don't know when the hardware is going to break, but it's going to happen sometime. However, in both situation you do have the ability to be more careful with your steps and your care of the laptop. In other words, as long as you're going with reputable brand and model of laptop (cuz sometimes they make mistake and manufacturer one with flaws in it, just read the reviews and you will find those) you should feel confident in the product. I've heard stories about ASUS laptop having issue within 2 months of usage, and stories about never having issues in 6 years. It really depends on luck and care as long as they are Reputable Brand and Model of laptop.
Here is an article if you want some evidence (do note that the stat is outdated and was only recorded by a system warranty company and not the retailer or the manufacturer)
http://lifehacker.com/computer-manufacturers-ranked-how-to-pick-a-laptop-tha-1467145338

Hardware problem within laptop usually causes by damaging (as you can probably imagine how many cracked ones there are), after that I would say the internal dust stocking up causes overheat and short components. In addition, it doesn't has to do with dust for overheat, people like to cover up the air intake for laptops with their laps or table and causing the laptop to overheat really quickly, another reason for me to suggest laptop cooling pad.
 

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Oh wait! Im going to buy a samsung 250gb ssd along with the laptop at best buy. Do you know if they can switch the hdd for the ssd for free? Or if they have that service?


Also, does g750jw have only one hard drive bay? Or can I place both hdd and sdd inside.