Building a gaming laptop?

challenger15

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Is it possible to build a gaming a laptop? Many people seem to think it's not possible. I believe in the old saying 'where there's a will, there's a way'. I do intend to get a $1000 laptop in the near future. So, how do I do this?
 
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It would be nice to see that in future, but the big problem with it is that owing to design looks only one company probably could do it and getting AMD and Nvidia to make special cards for them would be difficult so theres some big barriers in the way of it happening.

Water cool a laptop? I really don't think thats possible or ever done.

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There is not a selection of 'generic' parts for laptops as there is for desktops.

For example, in desktops, an ATX case will take any ATX compatible PSU or motherboard. Same mount spacing, same size, same port locations.
That concept does not exist with laptops.
 

IInuyasha74

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You are right, there is a way, but it will cost you a lot more than $1000. I've seen websites that build custom laptops and will change pretty much every part, but there cheapest model is like $2000 and thats just with okay specs.

Also there are very few which you can pay a lot of money for that have a GPU connector, socketed CPU, multiple HDD slots but the motherboard is not changeable. Also the type of graphics chips it takes are uncommon and very expensive, and the ones I have seen are usually really thick.

Long story short, its best not to look at laptops like that. Find a good laptop with good display and graphics chip that you want as well as ports. A lot of Intel's laptops seem to be socketed anymore so get a good CPU if you can, but if not that is upgrade-able. Get a better HDD or SSD, or two even if it has multiple ports for it. DOn't even think about the amount of RAM since that is extremely easy to upgrade.

I started with a Samsung laptop with a 620M graphics card and an i5-3210 CPU in it. Normally this laptop would be priced I would say at least around $600, and its a Turkish model not available in the USA so it was more expensive there I am sure too. I have upgraded the RAM, HDD, Battery, and am later going to get a faster CPU for it. I'm only about $460 into it, and later I will upgrade CPU when it gets a little cheaper and only be $600 into it. Graphics might hold me back but it will be a powerful lite-gaming system. If you want to upgrade and customize a laptop I advise you go along the same ideas.
 

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Interesting concept, but with all the issues you would encounter getting it together, keeping it powered and cool, and having it still be light enough to carry I think would suggest you are best to still get a normal laptop, but if you are board have fun trying. Maybe you will come with something cool.

I think there is a gap in the market for easily upgrade able laptops. It seems sacrificing on weight and thickness it would be pretty easy to have a nice customizable unit. Too bad no companies are going for it.
 

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I get it, laptops cannot be designed from scratch the same way desktops could. I guess I will be looking at some of the custom laptop building sites to customise the specs according to the way I want it. It's a shame that no company has made this possible, considering the increasing popularity of laptops worldwide. Hopefully, laptops can be built from scratch in the future.

So, if I were to get a $1000 laptop from a website, what are the recommended specs of the laptop, considering that it would be for extreme gaming? And, how do I watercool the laptop?
 

IInuyasha74

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It would be nice to see that in future, but the big problem with it is that owing to design looks only one company probably could do it and getting AMD and Nvidia to make special cards for them would be difficult so theres some big barriers in the way of it happening.

Water cool a laptop? I really don't think thats possible or ever done.
 
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Yup, hopefully we get to see it in the future.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajTbYI00wnw‎
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhw1n1N0hD0‎
http://www.instructables.com/id/Watercooling-a-laptop-on-the-cheap/

Plenty of vids on Youtube and some guides on water cooling a laptop. Not sure how difficult that would be. Would you recommend taking apart a brand new laptop and attempting to install a water cooling loop? On the one hand, it seems a very exciting proposition to me. On the other, I realise that if I screw up and mix electronics with water, that's $1000 down the drain.
 

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Down the drain? Hah! Nice pun.

 

IInuyasha74

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Huh well thats interesting.

Well no I personally wouldn't go for it. Farthest I would go for laptop cooling is to put really good thermal past on the CPU and GPU. Like the Colabratories liquid metal stuff I plan to get at some point, but if its exciting to you and you want to try water cooling it go for it. :)
 

IInuyasha74

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Also looks like there goes a lot of your mobility. If you can't carry it around everywhere what good is a laptop?
And if you don't want to carry it everywhere, then why not go desktop and have more power for cheaper?

If they had a water cooling system that was completely portable and housed inside the system in place of the regular cooling system that would be really good, but if you take away a laptops portability there isn't any point to it anymore.
 

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Exactly. The only real reason for a laptop is the portability. Take that away, and....
 

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Yes, I might very well go ahead and do it despite the risks as I have an unquenchable thirst to try out new stuff. However, I would probably do it to the 7-year old laptop in my home and not the new one I am about to get. Wouldn't want to waste an astonishing amount of money on an experiment with a high probability of failing, would I? So, if all goes well with my old laptop, I might just consider doing the same with my new one. Otherwise, the plan can be scrapped.
 

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Compliments always appreciated, my friend.
 

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Now, that's something that has been playing on my mind for sometime now. I do have an urge to get a desktop instead and do all that I have mentioned here (building one and water cooling it) on the rig. Once I start water cooling the laptop, I might not be able to get mobility as an advantage any longer, which is why I am thinking long and hard about it right now. If, and only if, I decide to build a rig, what kind of build do you suggest? Something like your build:
CPU: i7-3770k - 4.2Ghz GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7850 - 1000Mhz, 1400Mhz RAM: 16GB Avexir 1600Mhz CL9 Mobo: Asrock Extreme4-M SSD: 60GB OCZ HDDs: 7TB

How much did it cost you to assemble that? 7TB of HDD? You must be having mountains of files and data to store. I guess I can make do with 2TB.:)
 

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Get your point, but considering water cooling is already possible on a laptop, I guess laptops aren't so far behind after all. They might very well replace desktops once mobile parts are on par with their desktop counterparts. Looking at current sales of laptops and desktops, that seems to be a believable point.
 

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Yes, this concept is already possible. Soon, laptops would be on par with desktops. The future holds possibilities beyond any of our imaginations, my friend.
 

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Yea and once you do away with the mobility a laptop isn't as helpful. The best laptop is only mid range for PCs. Also since most you cannot overclock, there isn't a huge plus to it.

If you want to play with something fairly new and fun I would go desktop, get a new Intel CPU and "delid" it and build a nice water cooling system. The new Intel CPUs perform a lot better after you delid them.

Thanks for looking at my rig :) I've actually changed the motherboard since then but its a good system. I think you would do really well if you went after something like that but you could easy fix the short comings in my build as well.

Here is what I would suggest to you:
CPU: Intel i7-3770k
Motherboard: A decently good Z77 system, there are several.
RAM: At least 8GB. I don't think my system gets much boost from having 16GB but wanted to fill it to the max, and 32GB is crazy.
GPU: At this point I would say at a minimum get a AMD Radeon 7850. I have two and they have worked really well for me. I haven't been so impressed with the crossfire performance, but whenever I got the single card it has done really amazing for the price. I would say get an AMD Radeon 7970 GHz Edition or a R9 290 if possible, little pricy.
SSD: You are a lot better off to go for at least a 120GB SSD. I got mine free with the ASrock motherboard, but its barely enough to hold my OS and some minor programs. I have to use a second HDD around 200GB for all the games and stuff. But if you have a 120GB SSD theres software to move games on and off it without installing them each time so you can just keep the game your playing on it.

Then probably get the water cooling later cause all this is a bit expensive. I think at current I have around $1400 in my build and I need a better cooler. But a lot of that is in just storage.

Haha yea I do have a lot. I honestly just bought a controller card cause I needed more SATA ports. I want to add another 2TB so I can setup a RAID 5. I have about 3TB of files, but I keep two copies of everythign encase drive failure so its like having no space at all it seem.s